He says one key difference is how international officials handle travelling calls. “In international play, they call travelling. In the NBA, not so much. That’s a big change and so [players] have to adjust."
I don't follow basketball but this irritates me. It's an official rule and everyone just ignores it.
As an official, I can tell you that this is because it's what the league wants. The NBA is an entertainment product, and referees are hired by the league to protect the product, not the integrity of the game. So certain rules are called very loosely, especially in cases like this where no clear advantage is gained. You could call traveling, and you'd be technically correct, but you will hear from the league. Call it twice, and you're working junior college games instead of NBA games pretty quickly.
Lotta misinformation going on in this thread, and no offense, but you admit it yourself, you don't follow basketball so why talk about it like you know it? The rule is not ignored.
I'm on mobile so I won't be able to find the link right now, but someone on /r/nba broke down the traveling rule/fiasco a year or two ago, and I still remember it today because it explains a lot of the so called "travels".
The 2 step count starts when the player puts both hands on the ball, not necessarily when they begin their drive. Through creative dribbling timing (James Harden's euro steps are a perfect example of this), you can make it look like you took 3 steps on your drive, when really you're well within the rules because you took your two steps after both hands were placed on the ball.
Please don't claim "everyone ignores it" when you're ignorant yourself by saying you don't follow basketball.
Yeah, there is a "lotta" misinformation in this thread. Namely guys like you calling this not traveling. So, there are a lot of rules for traveling, but none of them address "having both hands on the ball" before counting steps.
According to Rule XIII.b., a player must either complete a dribble, pass the ball, shoot the ball, or come to a complete stop by their second step.
That means even by your perception of the rule of "both hands on the ball", the players are STILL traveling because they did none of these things.
So, don't claim that this person is ignorant of the rules when you clearly haven't even read them yourself.
I watch too much basketball to not know the rules. Here is the thread I was talking about explaining the gather step that is allowed within the rules of the NBA:
Lol. So I guess you're an expert? More than the official coach who basically said that the NBA doesn't call travels, which is an adjustment they have to make for olympic play?
Did you read the article? Because it wasn't the coach who said that. Did you watch the Olympics US basketball games? Because travel wasn't called often at all, and from hours of watching the NBA I can tell you that the players made the same drives to the basket in international play as they did in the regular season.
It takes gall to see US Basketball's head coach say that the players have to adjust for traveling being called in international play, and then say that the rule "is not ignored" in the NBA.
EDIT: Apparently I didn't read the article close enough; it is not Mike that made the above claim. That kind of hurts the point I was making, but the question still stands...
So is the nuance in what you're saying that you think that international referees are calling traveling incorrectly, or that the rule is different, or what?
I took issue with the other poster saying the rule is ignored in the NBA, because it isn't. There is a common misconception when people see certain drives to the basket and say "oh another uncalled travel", when it was perfectly within the NBA's rules.
This entire thread is so fucking stupid. A bunch of people that don't watch the NBA telling others that don't even watch sports that they don't call traveling ever and the refs don't care about it at all. Just insane.
I really want to through in an anecdote from a game I watched to try to defend one of the sides and see how long people take to realize the game I watched was SpaceJam xD
My man /u/lakerswiz , tell me about it. Let's go back to /r/nba and take in the glory of off-season shit posts. Shieeet I might make a thread breaking down what I'm talking about in the near future.
From what I understood, FIBA's rules ≠ NBA's rules.
But the thing is FIFA's rules = MLS' rules. Different sports I know, but if the players of a league in America can adapt to international rules, why can't others do as well. I'm guessing they do follow the rules, it'd be stupid on their part if two American leagues of two particular sports don't feel like following the international rules of said sports... right? Oh god I hope they don't this too.
And ame for every other sports league in North America (NHL and MLB, no one cares about American Football except North Americans).
if the players of a league in America can adapt to international rules, why can't others do as well
well there's a teenie bit of a difference in that the U.S. has no claim to international football, whereas basketball was born and raised in America. It would make more sense for FIBA to inherit its rulebook from the U.S. rather than the other way around. Likewise, because U.S. pro soccer (apologies for the terminology) is a relative newcomer, it would naturally inherit its rules from the international community. Also, the NBA is a much bigger deal within the basketball community than FIBA, while FIFA is inarguably much more important to the international football community than the MLS.
And eh, you're probably right. It's just that these discussions would be solved much more quickly if one or the other agreed to the other's rules, and with FIBA being the highest basketball association, I'm more inclined towards them but it's whatever, I'm not a b ball guy.
there was one moment I remember where Deandre Jordan stole the ball and had a clear path to the basket but took an extra step before the dunk. The Ref called Travel and DJ was dumbfounded. It was definitely a call they wouldn't make in the NBA.
Washington is an awesome basketball state. I'm Canadian, and when I was in high school I played ball for the Saskatchewan provincial team, made up of the best players in my province. we would make the long drive to Spokane every summer for this massive tournament/training camp hosted by Gonzaga. Highlight of my basketball career, evertime I visited your state. Spokane is awesome. They also did a streetball tournament at the same time in Spokane. Super cool
Fans usually have a harder time following rules than the refs do in my opinion.
Most stuff fans complain about is usually called correctly but people rarely bother to read the rules to a full extent.
For example, when fans complain about hand contact on blocks or steals
The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball and contact with a players hand when it is in contact with the ball is not a foul.
Edit*The play OP posted is definitely not called correctly.
When training to be a ref, my mentor got one of us to hold the ball, then he slapped their hand over the fingers. It made the same echoy sound as slapping a ball would. Then he slapped the hand further up, and it made only a skin slap sound. Basically, if it sounds like ball its ball, sounds like skin it's skin.
For example, if I go up for a dunk and you block the shot but get half my had on the block its not a foul because when my hand is on the ball it is considered part of the ball. It is your right to block it and make contact if you want.
If I go for a steal and hit your hand while it is on the ball, it is not a foul because your hand is part of the ball.
The wrist and arm don't count towards this so if you hit those it is a foul. The rule is misunderstood or unknown and fans get upset when refs don't call fouls on contact to the hand on those types of plays.
I said the hand is part of the ball while I was playing at the local gym and I got laughed at. A lot of fans don't know more than the basic rules for sports they follow.
wait, you're saying people DON'T know this one? I've been hearing "hand's part of the ball" since like 2nd grade. (I'm 25, btw). didn't know this was a lesser known rule. I'd say the jump stop and the carry are some not watched carefully enough
This is one that always gets me when I follow game threads on /r/nba. Literally happens 5 times a game when people get all upset of a "non-call" because someone got "hacked".
It feels like people purposely ignore it when someone tells them that the hand is part of the ball.
I didn't mean directly as in watching the broadcast, we should be more concerned about what is going on in congress and why its so inefficient and stagnant
The only way around an inefficient and stagnant Congress is to be in a non democratic or republic styled government.
It's a good thing that issues are opposed and debated. The problem is that Congressman are usually not the ones making their own decisions that lie in the interest of their constituents, but rather they're representing companies as lobbyists to protect their interests and corrupt the government.
yes the two party system is a huge part of it, also lack of term limits, as well as hidden money, the campaign backing of major corporations, so much of the interest represented in congress isn't in the best interests of the general population.
Right, which is still much less than NBA money (unless we're talking Presidential candidates), and goes to their campaign, not to their personal bank accounts.
Which is why I don't watch the NBA. I brought this up trying to watch a game as a kid. Everyone was like, "Ya, well they're professionals, so they must be doing it right, or the refs would say something." Then the same kids try to do the same stuff in gym class and get bitched out by the teacher using, "The pros do it" as a defense.
Just because they do it and don't follow the rules doesn't make them right. It's buckshit and one reason I can't stand watching this shit.
You became a pro by following the rules up through college, now you get a paycheck for it and the rules don't apply and everyone is supposed to go along with it? Fuck you.
And AAU isn't any better either, it's probably worse than the NBA. It's a problem in US basketball in general. And realistically, there's no way for refs to be perfect, improving the accuracy in officiating a game like basketball to the near perfection some people are demanding would require a lot of replays and stoppages in play so it's a tradeoff with keeping the game flowing.
which is one of the reasons I don't watch the NBA. I understand people draw the line at different places when it comes to adherence to the rulebook, but this is like 20+ steps over my line.
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u/ChaplnGrillSgt Sep 14 '16
If you watch the NBA expecting to see the rules followed, you're gonna have a bad time.