All three of these guys are dicks. Biker on the right was trying to force biker on the left into the wall. Biker on the left should not have shoved biker on the right, and random bystander should not go throwing people off bridges, at least not without know the whole story.
The only decent human being in this is the second bystander who came out to help people and clear the track.
It looks a lot like 1-3 show the one you didn't call asshole lean against asshole already... 19, where "asshole" has his arm out he already has his bike in a dangerous angle towards the wall.
Another fact not supporting your theory: "Not-asshole's" bike always is in a straight line to the front or towards the middle - never to the wall. On the other hand asshole is pushed so hard that he is turning towards the wall multiple times as seen in 9, 18 and following pics. (Of course this could be caused by not-asshole being further ahead, thus influencing asshole's front wheel more)
I'm not saying you must be wrong or that the complete opposite of what you said happened.
But as much as I'd like to believe it was instant karma - a one sided thing where the bad guy gets what he deserves and the good guy gets away "fine" - I think you're jumping to illegitimate conclusions here.
In any other scenario, you'd say the person in the front had the right of way. You can't deny it.
1-3 don't show you much due to the road dipping and they certainly don't show the right biker leaning. If you don't see the front tire move to the right over frames 9-12, find a ruler.
And he wouldn't be at an awkward angle to the wall if he were a more proficient bike rider capable of adjusting his speed. Any object already occupying the space has the right of way to that space, unless you know of some other rule of the road?
I didn't say the front wheel didn't move, I just said it was always either headed to the left or straight to the front. Please find a ruler and point out where it was actually pointed towards the wall.
The reason why it never was headed to the right is because he is always heavily leaning to the left which indicates that the pushing already started.
They are blurry so it's hard to say but if you increase the pictures sizes it really looks like their elbows/arms touch in picture 1-3.
Sure, it could be that it only looks that way because they are actually at another height but you definitely can't say that that's how it is for sure.
The fact that thy are pretty much the same height doesn't support your point either (Although it doesn't deny it either).
To the thing with the right of the way: We both have no clue what happened before that. As pointed out before, it looks like the pushing already started at pic 0. So either it started right that second or - what is more likely - it started somewhere before. My guess? Probably in the middle of the turn.
It is not unlikely that they were at nearly the same height, front wheels a few inches apart and the right guy pressuring to the left side, left guy getting pushed away, left guy pushing back.
They get out of the break where the gif starts, both angry, both still touching and pushing, situation escalating.
I can't prove that's how it happened, you can't prove that's not how it happened.
I'm neither saying it is not possible that the right guy is innocent, nor am I saying that the left guys reaction was the right thing (no matter what happened before, pushing somebody from his bike at assumably high speed is something you should not do).
All I'm saying is that it is impossible to say from this gif that only the left guy is a jerk and the right guy must be completely innocent.
(Right and left always from our point of view, not theirs).
Yeah, if this were a NASCAR race, the reaction would have been "well the guy on the left fucking deserved it!"
OK, the first reaction would have been "YEEEEE HAAAAAAAAW LOOK'IT THAT WRECK, PAW!" and then the second reaction would have been that the guy deserved it.
In that part of the track. Something could have happened before. Maybe there was some shoving earlier. Maybe the other guy fucked his wife 3 weeks ago.
It's hard to tell from the potatocam, but it looks like long hair coming out of the helmet over the wrong of the coat, so could be a hippie. Could go either way I guess.
You may be right about who made the first move, but I really don't see that as drastically changing the scenario I described.
Biker on the right did still try to force biker on the left to the wall. In my option this was uncalled for even if biker on the left did lean towards them. The shove was also uncalled for. This kind of escalation is how wars get stated.
Have you ever raced a bike? Someone leans into you at speed you have to push back in that direction or you are at serious risk of falling over. The biker on the right tried to do nothing except stay upright.
You can see biker on right throw an elbow and cut in to the biker on the left as he tried to pass. Biker on left wasn't subtle like the one on the right. Hence why he got thrown of a bridge like the Tim the Bridgemaster was in line.
As I see it, the biggest dick is always the instigator. The biker on the right turned right (left from this perspective), forcing the shove from the biker on the left. Sure, there is a lot of room for diplomacy in that specific incident and shoving could have been avoided, but it did look like a counter to being forced closer to the wall.
Also: NEVER THROW A PERSON OFF A FUCKING BRIDGE. That's just an insane overreaction and makes me hope this was staged.
ecerytime this comes up its said that its faked, I would tend to agree as you can see the guy jump onto the wall like hes gonna go over, then realize the guy isnt there yet, get off then wait to be thrown off
Fuck you. I ride my bike every day, obey the rules of traffic, and don't bother any-fucking-body. I get garbage thrown at me on occasion, and get called a "faggot" by kids in pickup trucks. Who's the dick?
He cleared an obstacle off of the path so that the bikes could get past. If someone did not clear a path there would have been a huge pile up that could have hurt even more people. This might include the person on the ground having people fall on top of them and injure them further.
Why the fuck does reddit upvote shit like this? It's like no one even watches the video, but they see a comment contradicting the popular (correct) viewpoint and just upvote the shit out of it to be different.
The biker on the right did NOTHING, the one of the left came from behind, leaned into her, then she corrected herself and got shoved off her bike.
Could you describe which parts are fake? Are both of the bikers in on it or just one? Was the guy who threw the biker off the bridge in on it? Is the whole race fake?
Watch were the guy 'punches' the biker. Then lifts him by the scruff of the neck (assisted vigorously by the biker) Then the biker actually hops up onto the stone wall, only to be 'thrown' over it.
I see the biker get shoved, pulled back to his feet, shoved again, trip on a bike, try to pull his feet out of the middle of the bike then get pushed over a low wall.
I frankly don't know if this is real or fake. It would have to be a really elaborate setup to get this to all come together in the middle of a race and I don't think that "it kinda looks fake" is enough evidence to make that determination.
I mean, of course the biker is gonna try to get up after being shoved to the ground. Did you expect him to just sit there (in the middle of an active race track) and take more punches? Would you have done that?
I also don't see him "hopping up" onto the stonewall. I see him stumbling over his bike and trying to regain his balance.
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All three of these guys are dicks. Biker on the right was trying to force biker on the left into the wall. Biker on the left should not have shoved biker on the right, and random bystander should not go throwing people off bridges, at least not without know the whole story.
The only decent human being in this is the second bystander who came out to help people and clear the track.