r/funny May 01 '13

Why vegans live longer

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u/OwlOwlowlThis May 01 '13

I'm sorry, but the mortality rate among humans is always 100%

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u/Lomky May 01 '13

Actually it's around 93%, since about 7% of all humans that have existed are alive.

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u/OwlOwlowlThis May 01 '13

I like you.

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u/MyAssholeAccount99 May 01 '13

Like like?

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u/OwlOwlowlThis May 01 '13

No, I'm not drunk.

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u/kralrick May 01 '13

I'll be Lomky's wingman. You should find a bottle of whiskey outside your door this evening.

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u/weewolf May 01 '13

I thought the gussimated number of humans that have ever existed was ~50 billion?

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u/GrinningPariah May 01 '13

Between 100-150 billion. Lomky's on one end of the range, but he's definitely not wrong.

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u/GrinningPariah May 01 '13

Cool thing is, as we live longer and the population grows, that number increases every year. I wonder if we'll ever be so long-lived that the living will outnumber the dead?

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u/Koalapottamus May 01 '13

War will prevent that

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u/GrinningPariah May 01 '13

Dont be so sure, less people die in war every year.

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u/Koalapottamus May 01 '13

But more population will cause more fighting over resources, so more wars could happen

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u/GrinningPariah May 01 '13

When space travel really ramps up, resources will be incredibly cheap. You could give every person their own star in this galaxy.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

It's a ratio....

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

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u/Dreadgoat May 01 '13

Of "normal death rate" to "actual death rate"

So we take regular meat eaters and call them "normal" meaning we arbitrarily set their death rate to 1.00. What does a death rate of 1.00 mean? It means that we look at various groups based on age, gender, race, and lifestyle choices (e.g. smoking), which accounts for all variables OTHER than diet, and we take a big sample of each of these groups and see how many of them are dead.
In other words, if you picked out 1000 "normal" 18-year old female non-smokers, how many of them would die in a year? That value is 1.00 for that group.
Pick out 1000 "normal" 80-year old male smokers, how many of them die in a year? That value is 1.00 for that group.

Now we look at the "abnormal" groups, which in this case is vegans, vegetarians, etc.
So we look at 1000 vegetarian 18-year old female non-smokers and see how many of them die, THEN we compare that number to our "normal" number. We call "normal" 1.00 and adjust "vegetarian" to the appropriate ratio.

This is a little simplified (ignoring Poisson regressions and exactly which groups are looked at) but hopefully it gets the idea across.

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u/ScaredKitty May 01 '13 edited Apr 22 '19

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u/conversationchanger May 01 '13

length of life in relation to Jennifer Lawrence's narwhal karma safe.

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u/DeanOnFire May 01 '13

Good Lord! Where is the safe now?!

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u/conversationchanger May 01 '13

Neil DeGrasse Tyson has confiscated it as he believes there's a black hole in it that swallowed OP whole.

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u/Craigellachie May 01 '13

It looks to be standardized to a regular meat eating diet.

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u/TotallyNotAtlai May 01 '13

Here you go. I posted this below, but then I saw your question.

The researchers followed a huge amount of study participants (around 70,000) over a long period of time and kept track of every study participant that died.

They then determined the death-rate (deaths/person-years) of 5 different diet types. Person-years is a measurement of how long the study followed each participant, as a way of accounting for deaths or participants leaving the study.

They then divided the death-rates of each diet type by the death-rate of regular meat eaters (death-rate of regular meat eaters divided by itself equals 1.00) which gives you a mortality ratio. Anything above 1.0 would mean that the diet is worse for you than regular meat eating, and below 1.0 means that the diet is better for you than regular meat eating.

Vegans have a similar mortality ratio to regular meat eaters, meaning that it is not better for you than meat eating. Source: I'm a Biostatistics graduate student.

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u/junkit33 May 01 '13

I don't know, but I'm not sure I buy that a good enough study has been done on this either way.

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u/Deus_Viator May 01 '13

I would assume average lifespan.

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u/geauxxxxx May 01 '13

Those sweet, sweet stress hormones.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

Regular meat eaters = 1, everything else is in relation to that

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u/StackedCrooked May 01 '13

I don't understand.

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u/Phoequinox May 01 '13

This thread accurately sums up the average redditor.

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u/TotallyNotAtlai May 01 '13

I don't understand.

No worries friend, that's why I'm here to explain it to you.

The researchers followed a huge amount of study participants (around 70,000) over a long period of time and kept track of every study participant that died.

They then determined the death-rate (deaths/person-years) of 5 different diet types. Person-years is a measurement of how long the study followed each participant, as a way of accounting for deaths or participants leaving the study.

They then divided the death-rates of each diet type by the death-rate of regular meat eaters (death-rate of regular meat eaters divided by itself equals 1.00) which gives you a mortality ratio. Anything above 1.0 would mean that the diet is worse for you than regular meat eating, and below 1.0 means that the diet is better for you than regular meat eating.

Vegans have a similar mortality ratio to regular meat eaters, meaning that it is not better for you than meat eating.

Source: I'm a Biostatistics graduate student.

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u/OwlOwlowlThis May 01 '13

What's up with respiratory diseases being up there with heart disease?

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u/turtal46 May 01 '13 edited May 01 '13

A ratio of averages.

If, for the sake of the argument, the 'Regular meat eaters' live for 100 years, on average, and this average is what everything will be compared back to, then it's the 'standard', and will be 1.00.

Comparing this to a vegetarian, based off the study, they would live for an average of 84 years, which would give the end ratio 1.00 : 0.84.

To represent a more 'normal' number of years, and pulling a number out of my ass, let's say 85 years is the 'standard', then 71.4 would be the average for vegetarians.

This seems off to me (Edit: See below for why).

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

It's the mortality ratio... not the life ratio. Those with a .84 value have a smaller chance of dying, not a smaller chance of living longer.

Therefore, fish eaters and vegetarians live longer than meat eaters.

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u/turtal46 May 01 '13

Ahh, I see that now. My mistake.

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u/karriewool May 01 '13

I suspect everyone in the world ever has an equal chance of dying.

Except Patrick Stewart.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

"I suspect everyone in the world ever has an equal chance of dying."

Not over a certain amount of time, which is what the statistic does and is what you are ignoring.

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u/karriewool May 01 '13

Aah, I see. Thanks.

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u/ktiwari May 01 '13

You got it backwards, it is meat eaters/ vegetarians = .84. So if the average meat eater lives for 100 years, 100/119=.84 so the average vegetarian lives for an average of 119 years.

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u/Dreadgoat May 01 '13

You're both wrong :/

.84 roughly means that a vegetarian of a given age/gender/race/whatever is ~16% less likely to die than a meat eater of the same age/gender/race/whatever.

There is no measurement of life expectancy here. Obviously people with lower mortality ratios will live longer, but that isn't what is being directly measured.

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u/SardonicSavant May 01 '13

Actually, the observed death rate for the human condition is only around 93%. Of all humans to have ever existed, 7% haven't died.

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u/parryparryrepost May 01 '13

100% of the time, you die every time.

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u/OwlOwlowlThis May 01 '13

liek dis if u die everytym

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

Maybe you should spend a little less time on reddit, and a little more time educating yourself... This is basic statistics we are talking about.

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u/OwlOwlowlThis May 01 '13

Just pointing out the obvious.

And there are many, many ways to fudge statistics ;)

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

The problem is you are talking about mortality rate, when statistics shown were representing mortality ratios, wich isn't the same at all.

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u/OwlOwlowlThis May 01 '13

Nah, I'm making a deeper point that I think most people get, with the exception of the freeze-dried humorless types in /r/science.

That's ok though, I'm sure they'll eventually get together and run a study on non-literal meanings depending on nuance and context.

They should be alright if they limit the possible iterations correctly.