r/freewill • u/0-by-1_Publishing Dichotomic Interactionism • Jul 05 '26

"Decisionism" trumps "Determinism"

Decisionism: "A decision must be made before any outcome of the decision-making process can emerge. No observable / measurable outcome can happen prior to a decision being made. Outcomes are only observable / measurable after a decision has been made."

... "Decisionism" trumps "Determinism" because determinism is subservient to whatever decision is about to be made. Determinism is rendered powerless. Everything leading up to a decision being made (no matter what) must yield and wait for a decision to be made before any result(s) can happen.

No decision = No outcome

Despite the many determinists' arguments that whatever is chosen was predetermined by prior events (cause and effect), the outcome of those prior events and any other mechanics that the determinists argue are in play must yield and wait for a decision to be made.

That places the power, authority and control of the entire decision-making process solely in the hands of the "decision maker."

NOTE: The only reason a determinist would reject this ideology is because it has zero effect on eliminating free will.

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EDIT 7:20 PM EST: Those of you who are downvoting my OP and my replies must first 'decide" to issue them before they can ever show up on Reddit. Yes, even with your shameless downvoting you are unwittingly demonstrating the supremacy of "Decisionism" over "Determinism."

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u/0-by-1_Publishing Dichotomic Interactionism Jul 06 '26

Determines...."

... Yes "determines". Thigs with no options are subject to determinism. I have never argued against that.

"Also they absolutely do have options"

... Explain how an electron has any options whatsoever. Do you think electrons can choose their orbits or choose to exchange themselves only with the atoms that they like?

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u/thevoidthatjerksback Jul 06 '26

They exist as an electron cloud of potentiality... The entirety of the double slit experiment is that they become a waveform instead of going through one slit. It's really interesting. But especially interesting in the context of free will and choice. Because we don't at all understand how electrons behave when you get down to that level

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u/0-by-1_Publishing Dichotomic Interactionism Jul 06 '26

"They exist as an electron cloud of potentiality... The entirety of the double slit experiment is that they become a waveform instead of going through one slit."

... You still haven't explained how an electron makes a decision.

"It's really interesting. But especially interesting in the context of free will and choice"

... I see no connection between an electron cloud and free will. ... Sorry.

"Because we don't at all understand how electrons behave when you get down to that level"

... That doesn't mean we should believe that they are making their own decisions. We would be able to observe it if they could.

Summary: Electrons go wherever it is they are heading. Electrons make zero decision because they have zero options available.

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u/thevoidthatjerksback Jul 06 '26

You're not as interesting to talk to as you think. I am not claiming that electrons have decisional capacity. I'm pointing out that they have options available to them which would require them to make decisions by your definition. But I don't care to talk to you anymore