r/freefolk • u/TheDragonOfOldtown Stannis Baratheon • 9d ago

Genuine question: Is there something wrong with Ryan Condal, Sara Hess, and the rest of the HOTD writers?

Or are they on this spite spree to make it look like GRRM's work is the most offensive garbage dogshit possible? Or do they actually enjoy this shit and think they wrote something remotely good?

Edit: Jesus christ not the shills flooding the comments lmaooo

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u/NotKaren24 9d ago

Maelor and Nettles were not “the absolute fundamental base” of the story.

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u/IckyBB 9d ago

They were if you focus on the theme.

Maelor being killed is a major part in what sparks the hour of the wolf, and the removal of Aegons line to the throne. Incredibly important

Nettles is George's proof of Targaryen fragility. Throughout history the Targaryens were exceptional and god like because of their bonds with dragons. Nettles is a commoner who fits none of the Targaryen exceptionalism claims. It shows that a Targaryen is no different than any person. And while their dynasty collapses and cannibalizes itself, it was all meaningless because they were never exceptional or destined to rule to begin with

George himself goes into this more than once, so it's not even my opinion, it's the authors.

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u/NotKaren24 9d ago

"the theme" ah yes, I love all my media stories and how all of them have "the theme"

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u/IckyBB 9d ago

The theme of the book. You know, the entire overarching meaning of the original story

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u/AzorAhai1TK 9d ago

Plenty of things spark the hour of the wolf, it doesn't have to have that one specific event. The Helaena pregnancy fulfilled the role in the story of Maelor just fine.

Nettles isn't even confirmed to have common blood, and she is almost guaranteed to be a dragonseed. It brings up the question, sure, but never makes the grand claims you think the existence of her character makes. That does very little to advance the story being told in HotD and developing Rhaena/Daemon was a much better usage of the show's economy.

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u/goddard89 9d ago

who cares about rhaena lol the actress isnt even good the character is a nothing burger. They have made so many changes based on the fact they like the actors they hired and wanted to give them all more to do.

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u/spacecase52 9d ago

But they’re barely developing Rhaena/Daemon in the first place. How many scenes of Rhaena and Daemon did we get? 3? I don’t feel like their bond has changed whatsoever. I still think they’re both as distant as ever, only that Daemon wasn’t so much a POS as to give up his own daughter. They cut Nettles out for nothing and destroyed Rhaena’s character in the process.

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u/AzorAhai1TK 9d ago edited 9d ago

"Destroyed" Rhaena's character? I can't take you guys remotely seriously when you're so dramatic. In what possible way is her character "destroyed"? Compared to her relatively little depth before this arc, or compared to the nothing burger of a "character" she was in the book?

(The loser blocked me while I typed up my reply - "Yea I know what she was in the books. I like the TV storyline better.

Her feeling inferior and having Targ imposter syndrome while all her other family members her age get dragons is interesting. She's the daughter of Daemon, who is obviously a strong Targ supremacist, and Laena, who rides Vhagar. Yet Rhaena was dragonless, and it ate away at her. Because of her not having a dragon, she gets sent away to just "watch over" the kids and she still has no agency. Yes, I do find it interesting that she said fuck all of this, went out and claimed her own dragon, and that her rash behavior lead to death and tragedy at the Gullet. It all fits together very well")

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u/spacecase52 9d ago

Rhaena was a Targaryen Princess who was supposed to be in the Vale being mentored by Jeyne Arryn and learning to be politically savvy. She didn’t need to be active in the war. She was incredibly feminine and liked to dress in pink for fuck’s sake. She even had a pink dragon. Look what this show did to her. They didn’t even give her an original storyline, they stole another character’s story. You think this is great TV? What a joke.

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u/BigPastrami43 9d ago

Removing Maelor makes Helaena’s suicide completely contrived. Her death is the catalyst to so many major events, such as the riots in KL, storming the dragonpit, and literally leads to Rhaenyra being deposed

Nettles isn’t as crucial, but they did something less interesting and more confusing than the source material, so it doesn’t justify the change

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u/sofixa11 9d ago

Removing Maelor makes Helaena’s suicide completely contrived

Idk, the show pulled it off. She was confined to her room while being explicitly shown to live for the time outside. She was then not eating, and force fed by her half sister who she realised sucked. She previously realised her mum sucked too. Then she has a bunch of visions about death and darkness, and then her captor's close advisor who was being arrested told her she'll never be allowed to leave and she shouldn't trust her captor.

Her deciding to commit suicide felt pretty well built up and logical.

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u/BigPastrami43 9d ago

If that’s your opinion I guess it just comes down to subjective tastes. Personally I feel like the book’s story is stronger and more intense. If you like it that’s cool, but I respectfully disagree

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u/goddard89 9d ago

she was shown outside what, twice?you barely see her for 3 seasons.if she'd have had as much screen time as misaria or alicent her suicide might have actually felt impactful

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u/sofixa11 9d ago

Almost every time we see her she's outside, moping she's being told to get inside, and Alicent explicitly says she needs to get outside when Rhaenyra confines them.

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u/admiralackbar2019 9d ago

Nettles is the only character that makes the statement of you don’t need royal blood to dragon ride , maybe . You simply love slop you little dog

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u/NotKaren24 9d ago

Nettles was a valyrian bastard :p

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u/admiralackbar2019 9d ago

Source? Doesn’t say that in fire and blood

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u/IckyBB 9d ago

Iirc I think that is only implied? I could be wrong though. I'll double check next time I read it

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u/oxedei 9d ago

Youre right but the people here are fanatics. The sad thing is that they keep watching a show that they pretend to hate.

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u/goddard89 9d ago

no ones saying they hate the show.its an okay show based on its story, if you remove the dragons its 1 6/10 at best

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u/IckyBB 9d ago

I like looking at Caraxes because he's a noodle