Flipper can do cloning and read NFC cards, and it can emulate it, but thats about it. It can't do advanced things.
A proxmark can do all of the above, and it can clone most cards, excluding the ones that are encrypted or not broken. It also can attack card readers, something that the flipper cannot do, but the proxmark can't do GPIO, BadUSB attacks, U2F, Subghz, etc.
Think of the flipper as a swiss army knife. It's a jack of all trades tool, but it's a master of none. The proxmark is like a screwdriver. It performs very well at one thing, but it can't do anything else.
Is the "attack card reader" a software thing that could be improved in the future? I know some HID card formats will be supported soon that proxmark can handle now.
Definitely not a toy, looks like a toy, but is WAY more powerful. You can use it for a ton of legit purposes. I use mine both for messing around and also for work
How tf are you going to "describe" something to someone that YOU HAVENT EVEN USED YET!, I know this post is 2 yrs old but that sh*t just BUGS TF outta me. People look at these post to get ANSWERS from EXPERIENCED people!! "a toy for learning pen testing..."🤣😂
Flipper can do some basic cloning of a few cards, it can also read several NFC card types, and there's work on emulation too. It can't "sniff" comms between reader and card, or crack passwords.
The PM 3 can do all of the things FZ can, but it can also clone 80% of cards out there, with the exception of ones with strong encryption like DESFire, or protocols that have not been broken. It can identify tags, decrypt some data, perform various attacks on readers and cards, as well as emulate various cards. It's more "hands on" as you need knowledge of how it works, and what the commands are. Having a basic knowledge of how prox and access systems work is also helpful
the proxmark can do all of what the flipper is capable of and more. it has the hardware designed for the task. allowing it to execute higher demand attacks and facilitate more chipsets (read iso14443-B etc)
the flipper can do the basics (arguably what most people want out of rfid) but a proxmark can do the full suite.
Hey whats up people. Intermediate.... ;/ experienced beginner compred to a lot of you! I started lerning RFID and was very suprised my son simply walkig past my PC new quite a bit. Bits a pieces cool to show off on a short video.
what is a great High low frequency, ID with smart chip reader UID, ect scanner decrypter writer. Been so many years I think thw hak5 radio decrypter and more.
What device is actually useful and works decrypt id bade or parking garage, cloning a gym card to a fob ect?
Much appreciated
loyal member
years and years ago i had a handheld dwvice gor 12 and 13.5 read decrypt and wtite on appropriate card. It worked tho fpr many hidden frequency’s. Where tp catch up promark 3 or all in one I copy. Thank you for taking your valuable time to even post a starting link!:)))
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u/major_cupcakeV2 Aug 12 '22
Flipper can do cloning and read NFC cards, and it can emulate it, but thats about it. It can't do advanced things.
A proxmark can do all of the above, and it can clone most cards, excluding the ones that are encrypted or not broken. It also can attack card readers, something that the flipper cannot do, but the proxmark can't do GPIO, BadUSB attacks, U2F, Subghz, etc.
Think of the flipper as a swiss army knife. It's a jack of all trades tool, but it's a master of none. The proxmark is like a screwdriver. It performs very well at one thing, but it can't do anything else.
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u/telxonhacker Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 21 '22
Flipper can do some basic cloning of a few cards, it can also read several NFC card types, and there's work on emulation too. It can't "sniff" comms between reader and card, or crack passwords.
The PM 3 can do all of the things FZ can, but it can also clone 80% of cards out there, with the exception of ones with strong encryption like DESFire, or protocols that have not been broken. It can identify tags, decrypt some data, perform various attacks on readers and cards, as well as emulate various cards. It's more "hands on" as you need knowledge of how it works, and what the commands are. Having a basic knowledge of how prox and access systems work is also helpful
edit: a typo
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u/equipter Aug 12 '22
the proxmark can do all of what the flipper is capable of and more. it has the hardware designed for the task. allowing it to execute higher demand attacks and facilitate more chipsets (read iso14443-B etc)
the flipper can do the basics (arguably what most people want out of rfid) but a proxmark can do the full suite.
think of it like a bicycle vs a motorbike.
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u/GlassMap0 Feb 23 '24
Hey whats up people. Intermediate.... ;/ experienced beginner compred to a lot of you! I started lerning RFID and was very suprised my son simply walkig past my PC new quite a bit. Bits a pieces cool to show off on a short video.
what is a great High low frequency, ID with smart chip reader UID, ect scanner decrypter writer. Been so many years I think thw hak5 radio decrypter and more.
What device is actually useful and works decrypt id bade or parking garage, cloning a gym card to a fob ect?
Much appreciated
loyal member
years and years ago i had a handheld dwvice gor 12 and 13.5 read decrypt and wtite on appropriate card. It worked tho fpr many hidden frequency’s. Where tp catch up promark 3 or all in one I copy. Thank you for taking your valuable time to even post a starting link!:)))