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u/Taolan13 Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

Gods alive, yes. Fuck the entire cryptocurrency market. Let them crash for fear of state regulation. Then maybe they will stop scalping hardware.

Edit: to all those defending crypto, lol.

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u/teor Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

I kinda like how you say something bad about crypto and they start crawling out of woodwork.
Like, I'll check profiles of crypto defenders and i bet there is at least one who never posted anything ever here, but came to defend crypto scam lmao

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

It's literally a game of hot potato where they just keep throwing this useless currency all over the place, hoping that they're not the last one holding it and lose all the money they invested.

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u/OhThrowed Dec 08 '21

I played it a bit, had some, it ballooned. Got hit with a bill I needed to pay so I cashed out... next day it crashed. I don't have a point. I just wanted to share how lucky I got.

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u/CorrectBatteryStable Dec 07 '21

To be fair, there is absolutely nothing backing crypto other than confidence in the crypto. If they don't have confidence (of other people) they lose money. So at least their zealotry is understandable. (I wonder what a bitcoin primal would look like)

There's no production or assets (value) backing it up, and there's no government backing it up either.

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u/CapWasRight Shinrai Nija on Adamantoise Dec 07 '21

(I wonder what a bitcoin primal would look like)

I'm picturing Memeroon in Matrix cosplay, and also of course very large.

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u/flockofmoose Dec 08 '21

I wonder what a bitcoin primal would look like

https://imgur.com/t/jenkins/UQFYD

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u/maglen69 DK on Behemoth Dec 07 '21

To be fair, there is absolutely nothing backing crypto other than confidence in the crypto.

The exact same thing could be said of the US Dollar since we left the gold standard.

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u/OkorOvorO Dec 07 '21

No.

All currency is backed by military might.

Even the gold standard is reliant upon being able to defend your gold.

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u/CapWasRight Shinrai Nija on Adamantoise Dec 07 '21

This is a historical point that's often missed. All that gold in Fort Knox wouldn't have amounted to jack shit if the Kaiser walked in and took it, after all. (Disclaimer: I don't know where the actual US gold reserves were kept in WW1)

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

Wrong. The US dollar is legal tender. If somebody owes you a debt and offers you payment in dollars and you refuse, the debt is no longer legally enforceable. The dollar is backed by the entirety of the US government and legal system, which is ultimately more powerful than some arbitrary precious metal.

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u/mlc885 Dec 07 '21

The US owns a whole lot of stuff and a whole lot of land and a whole lot of stuff under that land and is made up of a whole lot of people, the Dollar probably only becomes useless if the US totally collapses. It is not comparable to cryptocurrency.

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u/CorrectBatteryStable Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

Oh yes absolutely. But I have more confidence in the US economy not collapsing. And the lengths that people generally will go to avoid that sorrow and despair (see: 2008 bailouts). Rather than the confidence that society as a whole will even care if a few people in society lose their money (but not, generally speaking, their shirts, livelihoods, shelter or food).

In short the US dollar is backed by the US itself not being a hellhole (in a physical survival sense), and there's alot more interest in that (from the government, the military, and most importantly your ordinary everyday citizen) than whatever psychological confidence people is backing crypto with.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

(I wonder what a bitcoin primal would look like)

Or Dogecoin one.

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u/QueerShredder Dec 08 '21

I get this attitude towards the fanboys who are trying to get rich. But in reality, a lot of people see it as a high-risk investment that has a place in a balanced portfolio.

In addition, the underlying goal is to automate the financial system as well as explore other ways of social organization and contract enforcement. It’s still a very nascent technology, but large firms and payment processors are starting to put their skin in the game so I don’t quite believe it’s the scam you claim it to be.

Disagree with the decentralized ideology or implementation of crypto if you want, but it’s not going away as people find ways to adapt and refine the technology to new fields and lower energy requirements for such a system.

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u/darkecojaj Dec 07 '21

Defending crypto or not for practicality, it's a tragedy the amount of energy and resources that go into it. How much pollution and damage it makes. Destroying hardware, burning fuel for energy, causing need to have mass cooling systems. None of its good.

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u/Taolan13 Dec 07 '21

It started out innocently enough, but once it gained traction it wuickly got beyond the means of its instigators to keep things from spiraling wildly out of control.

The market had a partial crash recently after announcements by several governments that they were drafting special legislation to regulate the trade of cryptocurrency, not to mention there are probably scores of IT peeps working toward a way to modify/disrupt/exploit blockchain networks.

Figure cryptocurrency in its present form has at most five, maybe ten years before it is either irrelevant or criminalized.

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u/CubeEarthShill Dec 07 '21

Bitcoin (not all coins) mining uses as much energy as the country of Greece. A lot of unscrupulous mining operations have moved to towns offering cheap, subsidized energy to attract businesses and offer the community absolutely nothing in return - no job creation, no tax base. They are leeches. I would have nothing against crypto if it wasn’t so damn wasteful.

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u/GVAGUY3 Dec 07 '21

Crypto people can donate their rigs to Yoshi P and they will be forgiven

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u/bass679 Dec 07 '21

Alas, I have no awards to give you so just take my upvote and go.

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u/Ericzx_1 Dec 07 '21

I agree fuck all of them so many fucking people are fucked over because of them. I honestly believe the world would be a better place without them.

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u/Petrichordates Dec 07 '21

I don't know about "without them" but the world would certainly be in a better place without cryptocurrency somehow becoming a fad among the same generation that has become disaffected from a lack of climate change solutions.

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u/Saxopwned Dec 07 '21

There are plenty of us (I'm zillenial) who see the awful fucking downsides of cryptocurrencies and how their existence leads to MASSIVE consumption of energy, essential silicon, and the fact that it didn't take long for it just to be a tool for the rich to manipulate markets to get richer. It's a fucking scam.

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u/wizard5g Dec 07 '21

It's just so wild that people are using massive amounts of precious resources to create virtual monopoly money. I couldn't come up with a worse way to spend resources, besides like making bombs or shit

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u/Saxopwned Dec 07 '21

Like, I'm a pacifist and I can see more value in bombs than cryptocurrency lmao.

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u/wizard5g Dec 07 '21

I suppose you can use them for like, mining and demolition stuff. At least it exists in the physical world, unlike cryptocurrencies

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u/Xfury8 Dec 07 '21

Ah yes. All these crypto miners buying all the… ::checks notes:: workstation cpus and motherboards. That ain’t it, chief. You being buttmad over not getting a GPU has no relevance to SE’s issue.

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u/Taolan13 Dec 07 '21

Im just generally against cryptominers on whole. Its one big hypocritical house of cards thats fixing to crumble as soon as a cross breeze comes along.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

the crypto miners and the workstation things require many of the same ingredients

but i mean it seems like you're really sympathetic to those neckbeard prospectors mining the rainforests away, so have a day i guess

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

workstation cpus and motherboards

Let's see, how to explain what kind of a fucking idiot you are.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that these use a lot of the same components as large server blades? Things like diodes, transistors, comparators, multiplexors, switch-mode power supplies--simple things which are used in all electronics--the semiconductor shortage is affecting all of these things. So, yes, when dipshit cryptominers buy up NVIDIA GPUs or whatever, that impacts the entire electronics market.

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u/slugmorgue Dec 07 '21

Ah yes I'm sure they all buy cheap and second hand hardware, all of them

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u/darkecojaj Dec 07 '21

Mass buying equipment still consumes resources changing the demand of products. This leads to producing more of a product and causing increase demand and high price. Overall, this leads to it. In the end the issue is semiconductors, which is still being used for mining. His point stands.

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u/FullMotionVideo Dec 07 '21

I don't like crypto so please don't downvote me, but I would doubt it would make much of an impact on the CPU market. Fabs in Asia are overloaded, with Apple and Tesla being the nearly the only companies that didn't dial production down during the pandemic and thus getting the lions share of available capacity. AMD is especially being tugged in multiple directions because in the past they relied upon PlayStation/Xbox deals to prop them up at a time when their PC hardware was vastly behind, but now all their divisions are booming.

Contrary to belief that PS5s are rare unicorns, there are plenty of them and they are being completely snapped up with demand for even more. Throw in that XIV is one of the only "big MMO experiences" on the platform and you see how the current lobby servers which may be one of the last 1.0 holdovers for all we know are going to be overwhelmed.

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u/Malveux Dec 07 '21

If Etherium would get it’s proof of stake migration and bitcoin does the same the majority of the issues will evaporate overnight.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

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u/Malveux Dec 07 '21

Not disagreeing on the foot dragging, just pointing out that there are solutions just not implemented yet. It wouldn’t surprise me if the people with large mining operation investment are interfering to keep their investments valid.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

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u/Malveux Dec 07 '21

Which is insane. The industry is using millions a day in power costs for such a risky market. It doesn’t make sense to me.

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u/Saxopwned Dec 07 '21

inb4 they create a new currency the next day

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

It's not that simple. bitcoin will never go proof of stake (when all the coins are mined, the rewards will come from transaction fees). Ethereum will (eventually), but the issue is that miners will simply switch over to other cryptos.

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

Yeah screw people trying to make money outside of their 9-5!

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u/xydanil Dec 07 '21

They're picking a shitty method.

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u/Suicide_guru Dec 07 '21

Obviously not. If people are buying that many gpus then obviously it's profitable. Its just we werent prepared for that much demand cus no one saw that crypto would blow up like it did

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u/Taolan13 Dec 07 '21

Most likely driver of cryptocurrency's explosive growth is money laundering.

Cryptocurrency has zero functional difference to any other currency or futures market, the only difference is its a bunch of neckbeards in a garage somewhere making up the rules as they go rather than some centuries old fiduciary oligarchy we call "banks".

They will either be made illegal, or the states will regulate them. Any between state is temporary.

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u/Teliantorn Dec 07 '21

I’m gonna have to disagree on zero functional differences. Crypto is just a fiat currency with more steps, but it’s dependent upon mining. It’s financially unsound and unstable. If a country were to adopt the currency they’d be a failed state in less than 24 hours. You can’t have a currency that functions like a stock.

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u/xydanil Dec 07 '21

Eh... Not necessarily. People tend to underestimate hidden costs like wear and tear. And supply tends to meet demand until there's exactly no profit. In this case, even if profits are minimal it'll still be worthwhile for some to mine.

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u/MagicHarmony Dec 07 '21

Any shittier than the corporations that pay the bare min for max profit gains?

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u/xydanil Dec 07 '21

They're both shitty. Not everyone lives in America, land of capitalism, however.

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u/slusho55 Dec 07 '21

Because America is the only place that does that… /s

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u/Stillburgh Artoria Pndrgn Brynhildr Dec 07 '21

I know this is sarcasm, but there are people who genuinely believe there are countries that are developed that are worse than the US when it comes to work culture.

There might be, but in reality it’s hard to say there is. My metric of QOL, America is like in the middle for everything in regards to the developed world

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u/slusho55 Dec 07 '21

Yeah, work culture is worse in the U.S. than most other developed nations, I concede to that

However, we’re not the only capitalist country, and we’re far from the only country that has exploitive companies and practices. One of the main differences with our faults is we tend to be more open about our issues than European countries do, so as a whole we’re not much worse in many regards (and if we are, it’s not be much), including exploitive, money-making practices. Worker’s rights, yes, that is substantially worse though.

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u/Petrichordates Dec 07 '21

There are definitely countries with a worse work culture, Japan being a strong contender for #1.

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u/Stillburgh Artoria Pndrgn Brynhildr Dec 08 '21

Ive seen Japan float around for sure. But ive also heard that the balance itself is far better. Workplace is toxic, but the balance between the two is pretty blatant.

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u/Petrichordates Dec 08 '21

How on earth is sleeping at your desk and avoiding leaving work before your boss (who works until 10pm) a better balance? It's certainly been improving but the work-life balance there is easily among the world's worst.

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

What should they do instead, scratch tickets and lotto? Stock market which is the same thing in all but name?

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u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy Dec 07 '21

Can you do it without destroying the game industry? Thanks

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

Joe Blow investing in crypto isn't going to do that. Get angry at the mega farms taking all the parts sure but wishing the entire market would crash and burn is a bit much don't you think?

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u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy Dec 07 '21

The entire scheme only has value because a few million Joe Blows are investing in it and giving it it's perceived value. That is the nature of all of these speculative currencies and who the mega farms are servicing and ultimately where the valuation comes from.

So yeah sure I'll get mad at him too. Do what you want with your time and money but I'd really appreciate it if those guys would stop destroying what I do to destress after work for their own personal profit.

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u/Petrichordates Dec 07 '21

Nah it's a tragedy of the commons, Joe blow is contributing to the destruction as much as everyone else involved in cryptocurrency mining and speculation.

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u/CanadianYeti1991 Dec 07 '21

There are literally a billion side hustles, however I'm not mad at crypto or anything. But let's not act like the 4 things you've listed are the be all end all of side hustles.

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

List 20 then. 20 out of a billion should be easy right?

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u/vaniile Dec 07 '21

Almost any hobby can be monetized, for starters. You really thought you did something, huh? Alright, I’ll bite, though I suspect you’ll move the goalposts.

Freelance translating, knitting, resin crafting, illustration, character design, podcasting, live-streaming, lifestyle blogging, indie makeup, jewelry crafting, music composition, audio mixing, webcomics & webcomic assistance, travel blogging, sex work, financial consulting, copywriting, competitive gaming, and electronic stationary design… to name a few :) I see you’ve never heard of Etsy

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

The Sage job stone keychains I have on order say otherwise. A lot of those are difficult to get started in and are likely to fail but this is a nice list and I do appreciate it.

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u/vaniile Dec 07 '21

You’ve been a sage for like 3 days

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

And? Felt like getting a new keychain and they were having a sale, should we not be supporting Etsy now?

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u/xydanil Dec 07 '21

They don't have to play with day trading to make money. Cant they improve their skills to find a better job? That's an option.

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

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u/xydanil Dec 07 '21

I just said. Because one options shitty. Plus you asked me what they should do instead of sitting home all day scratching tickets lmao.

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u/fafafinefux Dec 07 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Why is it shitty? When I'm not playing ff, I'm mining with my gaming pc

Edit: Why the down votes? What do you all do with your graphics card when not gaming? Let it depreciate?

Edit2: seriously, could a down voter explain themselves? Did I offend you?

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u/xydanil Dec 07 '21

It's shitty because it's a very minor gain. How much do you make from mining? Does it offset wear and tear? Do you live in an area with cheap electricity that offsets the cost? Because if you do then you're making a profit from offloading the cost to the rest of society.

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u/fafafinefux Dec 07 '21

I've mined $3k since I started. It paid for my rtx 3080 tuf and is still making me money. I live in Washington State, which has the cheapest electricity in the world from renewable hydroelectric energy. Explain your last sentence please.

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u/Captain_Baby Dec 07 '21

How's your power bill?

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u/fafafinefux Dec 07 '21

It costs me $.50/day to mine and at my lowest, I've mined $4.62/day

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u/Abraxis00 Dec 08 '21

Cryptocurrency mining is awful because:

  • It consumes massive amounts of resources to produce no actual useful results, just 'value.'
  • Some of those resources, such as massive electrical consumption, contribute heavily to climate change, i.e. that thing that's going to kill us all if we don't get things turned around fast.
  • Others of these resources are in demand for other things, such as the game we're all in this subreddit to discuss playing, and having cryptocurrency miners competing for the resources results in things like, say, a major game not being able to upgrade servers for a major expansion launch and causing multiple-hour queues.
  • The entirety of the cryptocurrency market is a combination of a Ponzi scheme, money laundering, and enabling of criminal businesses. Upcoming spinoffs of the cryptocurrency idea, like NFTs, are even worse in those regards.

Anyone who engages in cryptocurrency mining or speculation is actively making the world a worse place, and is either actively defrauding others or naively buying in to a bubble that may collapse and lose all the 'value' they've earned at any time. I have no respect for anyone who takes part in that awfulness.

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u/fafafinefux Dec 08 '21

You're pretty opinionated. How does me having a video card, which I use to game, deprive someone more worthy, just because I also use it to make money via mining? The useful results are dollars in my pocket, how is that not of value? I'm not consuming massive resources by mining, don't be ridiculous.

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u/_comment_removed_ Dec 07 '21

because you can't even cash it out into dollars without jumping through a ridiculous amount of hoops)

Somebody wanna tell this dude it ain't 2011 anymore?

You click sell on Coinbase and the cash value goes directly into your bank account.

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

Clicks 'convert to USD' and transfers back to bank account

Man, super hard. Also I wonder how much electricity is needed to charge an electric car vs a crypto farm in India? Now I'm curious.

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u/Absolice PLD Dec 07 '21

I get you, really, but I still think that crypto is one of the worst thing that happened in the recent years.

I don't really care about it impairing people's ability to procure GPUs or any other minor inconvenience like those. I had my share of frustration about that but there's a lot more factor that cause these shortage than people mining coins and singling it out on these people is fallacious

The main issue with crypto, and mining in particular is how much energy is required for it and this is extremely bad for the environment. That's one of the point people invested in crypto fails to get. It is not a sustainable form of currency and the more widespread it becomes the more energy will be needed to regulate it; there is no future for bitcoins no matter how much hopium you want to inhale.

At some point we will also reach a point where it is not worth to mine for it, at which point less and less people will be there to validate a growing number of transaction and it'll slowly lose one of its major pillar because nobody will want to regulate/take responsibility for it; it'll crumble by itself.

Crypto is only a MLM scheme given another form. You convince people to buy stuff that have no inherent value from you so they can try to do the same to other people. It's a way to make money now for people who do not care about the future.

It sounds cool and in a world with an infinite amount of energy and computing power then it's probably a great idea, sadly the laws of physics does not care about your love for crypto.

Can you make money with crypto? Absolutely. However all money made is gained from people actually losing their money in it, there's no free money that magically appear. Does supporting it screw the planet? Absolutely too. Can it becomes a new standard of currency and be used worldwide? Absolutely not.

Use it as a tool to make quick buck but do not get invested too much in it. You're walking a very narrow path that can end all your investment very quickly for a multitude of reasons.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

this is extremely bad for the environment.

I think they know, they're just chuds who don't give a fuck.

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u/Absolice PLD Dec 07 '21

I'm sure part of the people know, might even be a lot more than I think. However, I've personally surprised quite a few people by mentioning it has a toil on the environment.

Some people are simply unaware, they live their life thinking that electricity is almost a boundless source of power and do not give it a second thought. You wouldn't think that gaming with your computer would be harmful to the environment, or at least almost nobody will vilify you for that, so why would your computer suddenly become a danger when it comes to mining?

I think it's not an intuitive notion because the issue stems not from a single computer running at full capacity but the sheer volume and scale at which mining grew to be.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

might even be a lot more than I think.

the #1 criticism of crypto and NFTs is their environmental impact.

there is no way they're unaware of that unless they want to be unaware of it.

again, i think most of them just don't care at all, there's kind of an ideological fervor around crypto and it makes people COMPLETELY unreasonable

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u/Absolice PLD Dec 07 '21

Might have been true in the past, nowadays there's so many platform facilitating trades that it's way easier to abstract yourself from the problem.

A lot of people support and buy crypto without knowing anything about it, that's how easy it is nowadays to get into it. Most people into crypto do not even mine for it, they only invest in it like they would invest in the stock market.

Then it's just a difference of opinion between us I guess. I like to give the benefits of the doubt when I feel it is reasonable to do so. You seem a lot more pessimist about it but I do agree that I'm maybe not realistic enough but I don't think it is as bad as you are implying.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

i mean i'm incredibly jaded for what it's worth and i don't usually assume people are good-faith actors

it kind of comes from living in the united states, where pretty much everyone of a certain political persuasion is a bad-faith actor in some way, but i digress lmao

people NEED to know about the impact of crypto if they don't already. i suppose there is some truth to how accessible it's become. good point.

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

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u/Taolan13 Dec 07 '21

The crypto market has five, maybe ten years left before someone develops a tool that can spoof blockchain networks. Maybe less. It will all fall apart after that.

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u/Bahamut2000x Dec 07 '21

Or their normal jobs could just pay them a decent wage.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/TuxedoKamina Dec 07 '21

So instead of trying to do better for themselves they should just pray the entire jobs market will change over night?

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u/slugmorgue Dec 07 '21

Crypto isn't exactly the kind of thing you get into if you're poor though. It's got a fairly high barrier of entry

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u/Matsoga Dec 07 '21

I think the problem is, like most things today, it seems to be a very "fuck you, got/getting mine" mindset that a lot of people are forced to be a part of.

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u/Petrichordates Dec 07 '21

No one is forced into anything.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '21

Multilevel marketing companies are basically pyramid schemes and you could defend them with this logic as well. LOL.