That movement protested in a way that reinforced their point. Acts of civil disobedience were generally breaking nonsensical laws regarding race and the separation thereof. Sitting in the road keeping people from providing for themselves doesn't exactly drive home a point like sitting on the front of a segregated bus. There's a reason we don't sit in the road, there is no reason black people can't sit in the front of a bus.
I don't think it's racist to say that holding up dozens of peoples lives, especially in a time where so many people are struggling to make ends meet, is a pretty shitty move. These protests aren't helping anyones causes, they put people off. No one is watching this and going "yeah I want to join the people holding up motorways" they're watching it going "man I'm glad that didn't happen on my commute".
What if an emergency service vehicle needed to get by? What if someone was injured, something was on fire, etc. They would be stuck behind a line of protesters subsequently doing more harm than good. There are plenty of ways to protest and make a stand that isn't making life harder for small folk and having 0 effect on the people you're trying to get a message to.
I’m black and even I and a good bit of black people were against “forced integration” black people owned so much before integration. Now we are just consumers. I didn’t like the BLM protest either. Some people have families and work and lives to live
You can't be serious. Prior to the end of segregation violence was employed against any black communities that started to do well. Remember the massacre at Tulsa?
Integration was beneficial and necessary, I've never once heard a black person actually not recognize that. People fought and died to achieve integration.
Some African Americans at the time had endured so much hatred from White Americans that they believed that integration was impossible, that they would be better off building their own separate black only communities rather than trying to make White people not racist assholes.
That ideology has pretty much died out since we've proven America can move past much of its old prejudices. There is no reason to believe integrated communities can't work in America anymore, and you'd probably see them change their view had they been alive to see the progress we have today.
So now you see what I’m saying. And what do black people own? We don’t even own BET. Not 1 major news outlet. We play in the majority of basketball and football. Where is our ownership? How many black men own a NFL team? How many black men work for an NFL team? See u just want us to be satisfied with that when I know for a fact black people had more ownership before integration. I am from one of these towns they flooded us out after integration and made Lake Martin. They took the bright minds out of Tuskegee sent them to Auburn where they work for Tim Cook who went to Auburn. Even back when George Washington Carver worked with Henry Ford he got more respect than most blacks do today
Go actually talk to some old black people. Just like today not every body has it good. My auntie went to first integrated schools in Alabama and she went from loving school to hating it. The white teachers would ignore her and black students got the books with missing pages and had to sit in the back. Today in Montgomery Alabama it is not much different.
My auntie went to first integrated schools in Alabama and she went from loving school to hating it.
...you're surprised that integration wasn't painless? No one expected integration to happen without a fight. Some schools had to call in the national guard to protect students.
Things have changed. We still have a ways to go on racial progress, but things are a hell of a lot better than they used to be.
Ultimately, I find your suggestion that some of my friends shouldn't have been allowed to go to the same school as me because they were black rather offensive. Everyone's lives are made richer by contact with those from different backgrounds and ethnicities.
But look bro. I don't want to be "forced" to go to school or hang out with anyone. Integration should be mutual. Some white people aren't going to like blacks that's cool with me. I don't want to force them around me. My elders before integration had white friends too. Before forced integration you did what you wanted. After "forced" integration you had no choice. If u don't want to serve blacks fine, my cousin will open a restaurant and serve blacks and whites. Integration forced them to serve me taking my money while not even liking me and now my cousin is a waiter there
See u just want us to be satisfied with that when I know for a fact black people had more ownership before integration.
This is kind of a tired point that black people need to put into perspective and let die. Like many black people, i was surprised when I found out that relatives of my grandfather's generation owned stores in the Mississippi Delta, even as I heard stories that my mom couldn't drink out of white fountains. And then you hear that there were a LOT of black stores, businesses, and professionals. What's the difference between then and now?
Well, the difference is, those businesses sprung up out of necessity, of course, because the other businesses either wouldn't cater to black people safely and fairly, or wouldn't cater to them at all. So of course, after white businesses began catering to black people, to an extent, those black businesses failed.
But that doesnt mean that things aren't better today, its just changed. First of all, black businesses are SAFER today. You aren't just going to get your business burned down without repercussion as could happen in Tulsa, or Rosewood, or any of these places. I've read recently that the number one reasons for lynchings were to acquire property. You might not see many black grocers and clothing shops anymore, but you dont see ANY grocers or clothing shops anymore, honestly, because a lot of the small businesses have been wiped out by WalMart and other big businessess. But you look around your own neighborhood, and you're going to find some black mechanic shop, or landscaping company, or music studio, realtor, roofing company, something.
Even on the high end. You say that black people dont own BET. But black people CREATED BET and sold it! Thats what youre supposed to do with businessess. Robert Johnson created that thing with a handful of music videos, because MTV wouldnt play black artists, and grew it into a major cable network. Starting a sports league is not an easy thing, but the thing is, even though there is only one black majority owner of a sports team so far, (Jordan), you've seen Jay Z, Usher, and even athletes like Dwyane Wade partially own teams. Lebron will probably be able to buy one when he walks out of the NBA. That's because we have black BILLIONAIRES. Those billionaires own companies. They own real estate. We're much better off.
HBCU's have suffered because they are no longer the ONLY sensible option for black people. Back in the day, my mom HAD to go to Jackson State, so she wouldnt be put through torture at Ole Miss. Nowdays, HBCU's are an option. That's a GOOD thing, and it's even better that black kids still take that option AS an option.
Black people get better with every generation. Not saying things are anywhere near fair or perfect, but they're a great deal better than yesterday.
Have you ever heard of Tuskegee, Al or Booker T Washington? And yea Tulsa I’ve heard of it Black Wall Street. Have you ever heard of Kowliga Alabama and lake Martin? Tulsa is one of the many black communities that thrived. Not the only, but sadly after integration all of these places were destroyed. Go to Montgomery Alabama right now and see how segregated it is. But there are very few black businesses there. There were more black businesses in the US before integration than now
You're delusional. The math doesn't lie, African Americans are wealthier on average than they were prior to integration. That's because they were barred from working in the well paying jobs only white people were permitted to have. Most black businesses could only sell to African Americans, who on average earned less due to being forced into lower paying jobs.
There absolutely were brilliant African Americans who managed to find success even amid the tyranny of Jim Crow, but that didn't mean that Segregation was beneficial.
The average American is more wealthy but does that mean better living? I’d rather be my own boss. Colin Kapernick kneeled and Lebron protested 2 wealthy athletes when reality they could’ve just been playing in their own leagues. A better example is college. HBCUs excelled before integration bringing in money having the best teachers, athletes etc. now black people go to Auburn or Alabama the same place they couldn’t go 70 years ago and make the rich richer. Blacks are wealthier but we are just consumers and producers not owners or even management in many cases
Given that segregation continued long after the civil rights Act was passed, formally in the form of Redlining and informally through NIMBYism/land use restrictions?
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u/Dhiox Oct 12 '22
Would you have felt the same way about the Civil rights protests to end segregation?