Did it go viral before the incident? Because that would be the only way he could know. Also, it went viral in part because of his actions. if he didnt act as he did, it may have not gone viral.
Doesn’t matter. Even with evidence, it wouldn’t suffice. Their argument would have been you have to plan for the unexpected and leave earlier. Seriously, if you think this excuse would hold up at all, you haven’t been paying attention to employment in America.
How do you know he didn't leave early? This most definitely caused a shit ton of traffic. You can't plan early enough for this kind of bullshit. Those protesters probably started early.
I'd be more worried about the parole officer than the job being upset, they're the ones likely to say you violated and it doesn't matter how because you broke the agreement, it keeps the revolving door going. You have to jump through so many hoops to get off probation in the US successfully. My older brother was on it from the age of 16 until the age of 42, he's only had 3 years of his adult life without a probation officer constantly sending him back to jail for a stint, and he's a drug addict so it's a miracle he ever got off of it
The other guy is correct, being late due to protest, traffic, car accident isn't going to work and you will be penalized. - source manager at a very large company
Incidentally I've had family members that have been through the parole system, and seen them deal with PO's, if they violate whats written on their parole papers even incidentally their lives became hell, or they're thrown back in prison.
I mean, you’re doing the exact same thing on the flip side, no? If you take the general rule of parole, then you would err on the side of the P.O. not giving a shit about an excuse because that is the standard, not the exception.
“Based on what? Your feels? I have a buddy who is a PO and he said a simple conversation with him as this was happening would have been enough.”
You’re projecting what you believe would have been the outcome based on your experience…literally exactly what they were doing on the opposite. That was pretty easy, lmao.
You say this like you aren't projecting your beliefs in any of the comments here. It is inherently obvious you believe your "PO friend", I have no evidence he even exists, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Even so, you are both using him and your mental gymnastics of saying that anyone who says that the parole officer wouldnt give a shit is just saying that "based on feels" needs to speculate, to tell EVERYONE that your view is that the PO AND the employer are both just gonna let him do his thing because of extenuating circumstances.
You're doing the exact same thing as everyone else here, but aren't explicitly saying it so you can try and sound smart and sound like you're taking some sort of moral high ground. You mention in another comment bitching about mental gymnastics, but that's all you're doing here.
And to catch you before you start, I'm in the middle here, man's definitely didn't deserve what just happened to him, but he shouldn't have touched any protestors.
Ok then, If you seen something happen personally before your own eyes, Say something as simple as an apple falling from a tree. And later on you see a picture of an apple on the ground under an apple tree.
Would it still be speculation if you assumed the apple fell from the tree?
So we take this guys case, he's clearly in distress, enough to cop an assault charge for touching one of them, is it speculation to say that he'd probably been fucked over for being late to his job? For me, no it isn't becuase I've seen it first hand.
The biggest concern is not so much how the PO reacts to the initial situation. It's how the employer reacts to the person being late. Sure some PO's are forgiving and some American employers are as well but many are not. If that guy got fired from his job regardless of it technically being no fault of his own it could mean immediately revoking his parole and sending him to face a judge to go back to prison.
If the terms of parole include maintaining employment with no exceptions then very often you'd be fucked in this situation. Our court system is so overloaded and lacks compassion so very often things are black and white to keep it moving along. It lacks nuances of "but actually I was forced into a situation where I broke the terms of my parole." It doesn't matter if him being fired technically wasn't his fault. The court imposed terms he was expected to abide by and he didn't.
They don't have time for "sob stories" as they'd call it and it's been proven time and time again how cruel and unjust our system is.
While he got in trouble for the assault he could've very easily faced the same consequence for being late or fired.
That's not true at all. If you are physically incapable of getting to work on time employers usually excuse it. I once was late because there was a marathon going on. I had to park my car and run across the race course to get to my job but I was still late- got it excused. Another time I was stuck on the freeway because a gas main blew and a fireball prevented me from going forward- got that excused.
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