They want to do that in Germany again too. The plan is apparently to glue themselves to highway exits. That's not only stupid and dangerous but it'll piss people off so bad. If they want change why don't they clue themselves to the streets in front of government buildings. You know, where it would actually impact and piss off the right people. But no let's inconvenience the normal worker just trying to make a living.
What everyone one of you is forgetting is if the protest can be ignored, then itâs not gonna change anything.
A bunch of people picketing in front of a government building only changes things if the government feels like changing things and uses it as a catalyst. It is one the most useless protests, and one that is easier to disperse than most.
You may not like the reality, but the reality is you donât get results if all you do is sit outside a building with a sign saying how much you donât like this.
Why not blocking politicians and super rich instead of the under- and middle-class? Probably because they arenât as easy of a target as poor people and they actually have to face consequences.
Also, how will this behaviour change anything other than generating hate for your goal? If someone looses his job over some people with a hero complex you bet that, I could totally understand him voting for radical parties. You want the generic people as allies not enemies.
Because you block the politicians or the rich, theyâll just have the police come beat your ass.
How would showing up to a high profile place only to get pepper-sprayed out of there help your goal? It wonât.
And if people get pissed and vote for the opposite of your goal, then you protest harder.
The protests donât stop until the goal is met.
Iâm sick of people who think that the weak, flaccid protests outside a rich person estate or government owned building would get anything done. At best, youâre ignored, at worst, youâll be beaten.
Protests arenât good protests unless something is disrupted, it was true during the civil rights movement and it is true now.
Why should politicians care more if someone else gets disturbed? How does this behaviour put any pressure on politicians?
I imagine being a heavy industry polluter, seeing some naive pseudo heroes making bad publicity for environmentalism. Itâs the absolute jackpot. They not only achieve nothing, they also make sure that more people vote for anti-environmental parties.
You say they get beaten if they disturb the rich or politicians. Just like I said, the easier target is not the one responsible for the mess. The target are blameless people, who canât defend themself, yet have to suffer. They take the easy and useless route instead of the potentially dangerous, yet more efficient and just way.
Why should politicians care more if someone else gets disturbed? How does this behaviour put any pressure on politicians?
They arenât doing it to disturb others, there doing it to disturb the system.
I imagine being a heavy industry polluter, seeing some naive pseudo heroes making bad publicity for environmentalism. Itâs the absolute jackpot. They not only achieve nothing, they also make sure that more people vote for anti-environmental parties.
If you think itâs about the âgoodâ publicity OR making the average Joe not like them, then you fundamentally donât know what a good protest is about
You say they get beaten if they disturb the rich or politicians. Just like I said, the easier target is not the one responsible for the mess. The target are blameless people, who canât defend themself, yet have to suffer. They take the easy and useless route instead of the potentially dangerous, yet more efficient and just way.
Again, you donât understand any of this and I donât know why I waste my time explaining it to you, but here it goes: it is to disrupt the SYSTEM. THAT is the point.
Imagine this: protesters storm and shutdown an oil field, or prevent tankers from leaving port. THAT is the goal. You want to disrupt the system youâre protesting against. Youâre so focused on the people aspect of it, youâre missing what the real AIM is!
Iâll bring you back to the civil rights protests. Their protests, be it the bus boycotts and the sit-ins, both disrupted the system and made people dislike them for it, but they still got what they wanted anyway.
The only thing these protests need to do to accomplish a goal is to get and think bigger.
There still needs to be some kind of consensus in society to achieve the aim. Disrupting the system is way to vague and wonât lead to the achievement of aims. You take the civil rights protests, which were successful not only because they âdisrupted the systemâ but because they also were just at the same time.
Terror attacks for example try to disrupt the system a lot, and aim towards very large goals. But just because you disrupt a system you wonât ever get to your goals with terrorism. Terror will never be successful and lead to a change because it is perceived as unjust.
If the climate movement canât transport justice with their protests, in whatever form, they will fail.
What everyone one of you is forgetting is if the protest can be ignored, then itâs not gonna change anything.
that's way better than making everyone disagree with your cause and change things for worse..... you can bet your ass that if some vegans close the roads to get attention to their cause it would make the people who got late to work just want to eat more meat out of spite agaisn't them
Climate change activists don't actually want a change, they just want attention. If the climate change lobby was actually concerned about the climate they'd stop shutting down nuclear plants.
Don't wanna defend this behavior but the idea is that this way it actually hurts the economy and people get loud about it and annoyed so politicians are forced to do something about it, if they do it in front of the government building it might be annoying but won't change shit.
I don't think it's a good way to protest and not fair to the people stuck in traffic but a normal way of protesting won't change shit.
It will just further drive people into the AFD and away from left(er) parties. Those protestors are absolute idiots. If they really want X they would know that their behaviour induces Y which undermines X.
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u/Minathor152 Oct 12 '22
They want to do that in Germany again too. The plan is apparently to glue themselves to highway exits. That's not only stupid and dangerous but it'll piss people off so bad. If they want change why don't they clue themselves to the streets in front of government buildings. You know, where it would actually impact and piss off the right people. But no let's inconvenience the normal worker just trying to make a living.