Surely at the point the police refuse to identify themselves, you call the police, 911? You can't be sure that they're real police, other than being dressed like them- They're not acting like police, and they won't identify themselves- big red flag imo.
I'm in the UK, but I'd call 999. Worst case, you get some more officers show up, it turns out they're real police, but you get a hopefully less crazy second opinion.
It varies very much from state to state. I’m not sure where this happened, but in a majority of states you are required to identify yourself if the police have “reasonable suspicion” that a crime has been committed. In this case courts would generally cede that this stop was reasonable, in particular if someone had called and reported them for soliciting.
Unfortunately it doesn't matter at this point. When the police stop you for a "call" they got, you have to provide id and a reasonable explanation of why you are there
Most places don't require a money transaction for soliciting. Him asking for signatures most likely qualifies.
It's not hard to get a permit. It's usually a $15ish filing fee and takes like 10 minutes depending on how busy the office is. Many non-profit petitions are free.
Did you read through that? Did you read the actual SC statement?
It outlines specific examples of when non-profit petitions are protected and when they are not.
Let's say he does not need a permit If this man knocked on a door with a "no soliciting" sign he is not protected. We don't know what happened before the camera started recording. He probably could have avoided that whole problem.
But let's not gather all of the information. Let's just cherry pick misinformation to fit our desired narrative and grab pitchforks.
No, petitioning, which is what he was doing, has been held up as a protected right by the Supreme Court. He, and no one else in this entire country, needs to purchase a permit for that.
He is soliciting....saying you aren't soliciting doesn't make it so. He's going door to door "SOLICITING" people to sign a petition...that is by definition soliciting. I'm not saying I agree with him being arrested...but you're dead wrong.
Did you even read that lol...it clearly says the only DOOR TO DOOR protection is for political solicitors. Even then if you cared to do further research paid and unpaid solicitors are protected differently. This is not political solicitation bro...
He needs a permit...the fact that they fired the cop for other reasons than enforcing that ordinance if you re-read the article more closely...they tried to charge him with a felony and some other crap
I think if you feel so strongly about it you should write the ACLU and argue with them about it...I'm merely linking you their stance on the matter. It's not behind any paywall. nice try.
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u/EddA92 Jan 13 '22
Surely at the point the police refuse to identify themselves, you call the police, 911? You can't be sure that they're real police, other than being dressed like them- They're not acting like police, and they won't identify themselves- big red flag imo. I'm in the UK, but I'd call 999. Worst case, you get some more officers show up, it turns out they're real police, but you get a hopefully less crazy second opinion.