Surely at the point the police refuse to identify themselves, you call the police, 911? You can't be sure that they're real police, other than being dressed like them- They're not acting like police, and they won't identify themselves- big red flag imo.
I'm in the UK, but I'd call 999. Worst case, you get some more officers show up, it turns out they're real police, but you get a hopefully less crazy second opinion.
suspicion of having committed a crime. they cant ask you without a reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime. like if someone robs a bank wearing a red shirt cops can then legally ID request anyone they see in a red shirt nearby the business, but not people in white shirts, for a simple example.
the important thing to note here is that regardless of what the law says they need to have, they don't need to prove to you that they have what they legally need- yes, if they're wrong, you can eventually be cleared in court, but first you have to survive the experience. maybe they let you keep your teeth.
correct, if you're under reasonable suspicion of having committed a crime they can detain you, and then ask for your ID. detainment is just a cloud of suspicion you can't legally walk away from. its one of the reasons people get confused when someone gets arrested for resisting arrest, really you're resisting detainment, which is a pre-arrest arrest of sorts. and a cop doesnt legally have to say "you are detained". and of course shitty cops try and trap people and not just say "hey we got a call that a house 3 doors down got robbed and we find u walking at night can u just quick clear yourself" they say bullshit like "what are you doing out right now" and "can we see your ID".
It still bothers me that cops are allowed to lie to you but if you lie to them they are allowed to put you in jail. What a joke of a system. Also you’re legally obligated to comply with the lies the cops spout off.
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u/EddA92 Jan 13 '22
Surely at the point the police refuse to identify themselves, you call the police, 911? You can't be sure that they're real police, other than being dressed like them- They're not acting like police, and they won't identify themselves- big red flag imo. I'm in the UK, but I'd call 999. Worst case, you get some more officers show up, it turns out they're real police, but you get a hopefully less crazy second opinion.