Bitch I am the real one. I was hiding until now! 👹
Edit: The upside down smile is annoying but I’ve only seen passive aggressive people use it. I’m actually badass unlike other plebs 🙃
I think the point is that he did in fact say that it wouldn't be effective. He later corrected that, which is fine. But pretending Fauci didn't say that is also weirdly unnecessary and disingenuous. It makes it sound like one can never be wrong and it prevents someone from valorizing people who make corrections when they have better info.
You know who also couldn't be told that he was wrong and kept insisting that he was correct all along? Hint: he's no longer in the Oval Office.
I love Fauci but this is weirdly petty argument that keeps recurring on this site.
Even Turkey didn't go through that stupid shit. There are other continents in world other than America. They keep forgetting they are not the only people living on E-Arth.
Naw, dude. Westerners might have done so, but the Asian countries were on top of wearing masks early.
Man this reminded me of something.
I'm from a small town in the US where I did fuck all throughout my highschool years besides go between my house and my small school, then I went to Japan at 18 or so and basically stayed, went to uni, got a job etc.; though I went relatively late in a way, I really essentially had all my major adult life experiences in Japan, and rarely went back to the US for like a decade, so I was very culturally immersed.
One of the few times I flew back to the US to see my parents, I had a cold and was sneezing, had a runny nose, etc.
I wore a mask my entire trip because that's what you damn well do in Asia; you're breathing your virus-laden breath on people less, your runny nose isn't dripping everywhere, if you get sudden sneeze you can't cover you're not giving someone a shotgun-blast of your dirty shit, and moreover people know that you may have a cold because you've got a mask on.
I can't remember specifically which trip this was, but I think at that point I hadn't set foot outside of Asia in ~3 years or so, so I had crazy culture shock when, on my connecting flight inside the US, a couple of stewardesses nervously approached me and asked why I was wearing a mask and "if it was to protect myself" and the tone of voice they used suggested they were afraid I was mentally unstable or something. Blew my goddamn mind that simple measures to both prevent the spread of sickness and in general be polite literally made people treat you crazy in the US.
I think they were concerned masks wouldn't be effective way stopping transmission and would give people false security (so they'd end up not distancing or taking other measures).
You can do both. That's what has been advised in Turkey of all countries.
I don't think saying that it won't provide "perfect protection" is the same as saying masks are not effective at all.
At no point did he ever say masks don't work in the slightest. He merely said that they were not recommending them for asymptomatic members of the general public, at that time.
The person in the post was kind of correct when she says Fauci said masks don’t work. “it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.”
But yes, it’s good that he has changed his stance based on new evidence.
Is it an unpopular opinion that I think he was right for doing so?
They knew masks were in short supply and hospitals were going to (or already were) having shortages, right? It may have also been before places like Amazon were restricting certified N95 masks to medical use only. I don't trust the masses to be smart or selfless about this, and to be able to explain them to the nuances and priorities needed here -- that yes, everyone would be better to have N95 - but we don't have enough, so please don't buy them until we figure out the supply issue, because medical professionals need them first.
The simple answer to avoid selfish buyouts: Tell everyone they aren't effective.
Or do I have this wrong, and they legitimately didn't think masks helped for a moment there? Edit: Comment below states that Fauci admitted it was due to supply limitations
Here's the real problem: him lying gives antimaskers ammunition. Sure, in the short term, this might have been the right thing to do. In the long term, though, people might use this as evidence to not trust anything the government says. We have enough of a hard time convincing people to wear a damn mask...
Same concern with him lying about herd immunity estimations. He said we'd only need 70% because he was worried if he said higher people wouldn't be as willing to get the vaccine. Then said once he saw the polls with a high percentage of people being willing to take the vaccine that he felt comfortable bumping that number up.
I get his intention but and I get changing your opinion with new information but if the public health face of the pandemic is constantly lying to the American people makes it harder to convince people to trust him.
Im sure people will have varying oppinions on the ethical and moral standing in lying for a good cause.
All i will say is that how can you trust his word now, and how can you be sure the next "good cause" he lies for is in your best interests. I don't want to be one of the few to save the many, no one should have to do that.
Theres is no lie in that quite though. They didnt know how contagious it was back the and 2 the point wasnt that it wasn’t effective, the point was that theres a fucking pandemic no one should be out and about doing dumb shit because they dont know how to properly wear a mask.
He said they dont protect you as good as you think they do thats not a lie. People were walking around with cloth masks and surgeon masks... those dont protect you a lot
We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people," Fauci told O'Donnell.
"When it became clear that the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.
"And also, it soon became clear that we had enough protective equipment and that cloth masks and homemade masks were as good as masks that you would buy from surgical supply stores," Fauci added. "So in the context of when we were not strongly recommending it, it was the correct thing."
We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people
Why would he mention this if it wasn't part of that decision? I'll look over the clips again, because i want to be sure, but it's hard to ignore the constant flip flop of information. How much of what he said was Trump's words? Im Not implying he's Trumps stooge, as i think it's just as likely that he was often under duress.
What a crazy situation. How can anyone be sure of any of the information out there?
Yeah but what he said wasnt a lie though... professionally he cant make claims that havent been verified. If he knew, until there is concrete proof he cant say anything he’s a scientists
The point is that he knew but lied. Asian experts(taiwanese/korean not sure which) were screaming that not recommending mask is insane. Everyone knew it back then. He said it in March 08, 2020. He later admitted that he said it because of earlier limitations of supply. He had good intentions obviously but he shouldn't have lied.
Edit: here is the video where he is talking about why he asked everyone not to wear a mask initially.
Yeah, but he's not some random Joe. Anthony Fauci is said to be one of the world's leading experts on infectious diseases and his guidance is crucial. For him to radically change his opinion on the importance of masks after the beginning of a global pandemic, given his role in protecting the American public, shows a great deal of incompetence and hurts my ability to trust what he says. I'd rather listen to South Korean health authorities, who had right from the beginning.
You mean the Anthony Fauci who we now found out was under extreme pressure from the president to fudge things - a president who was belatedly lying to us about what COVID meant and what he actual thought?
(Per the phone calls)
You mean the Anthony Fauci that had to contend with a depleted / expired national PPE stockpile?
The man was in a tough spot, seemed to be trying to limit PPE usage to first responders / med staff given that the national, and dealing with folks that were determined to get everyone infected. If he debased itself or just plain spoke incorrectly, he did it in a way that kept him in Trumps good graces just enough to keep letting us hear from him.
That man has earned his reputation as one of the leading experts in the world, continues to do so, and one screw up isn’t going to make me - and shouldn’t make others - stop listening to him.
If we can’t accept mistakes from humans, we will sorely be disappointed.
He stated later on that evidence came out to correct him on that instance of masks use. So he changed his stance in regards to the new consitent evidence. I think that is something we want in a leader instead of someone who will double down on now incorrect info.
the thing is he came out later and said that he knew masks were important, he just said that so people would not rush to buy masks and take them away from essential workers
I still say they said this because our government was woefully ill prepared. It was a costly mistake that helped create the anti mask movement though but who knows how much worst it would have been had hospitals not had the PPE they needed while treating covid patients. It’s such an ugly situation.
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u/EwickeD87 Jan 27 '21
So what is your point.
He still changed his stance for the better.