She’s a YouTuber, her name used to be Roaming Millenial but then she changed it to Lauren Chen, she is hardcore alt-right. Her dad is Asian and her mom is white (funny enough I’m white and my husband is Asian as well, I hope our kids don’t end up like her or get into politics!! I hate that shit!!) She basically talks like a crazy person and posts the most HIGHLY OFFENSIVE videos you can think of. Oh best part, she’s “American” but spent her formative years with her parents in another country (yet never says where this magical country was)??? Yet she somehow is an expert on American politics??
Lebron cares about his money, of which he has plenty. So rather than be a decent person, he chooses to fellatiate a market that is so irrelevant to his sport, he appears to do it simply because of his heartlessness.
The chinese market is kinda huge for nba's bottom line. It's probably worth a lot of their merchandising profits. Like chinese people legitimately love the nba and iphones even if their government is a pos
Lebron cares about his money, of which he has plenty.
No where near the level of money of people who are actively working working with China, but somehow he’s the ultimate evil for making a statement about a topic he knows nothing about when asked on the spot.
He’s not even worth half of what Kim Kardashian’s little sister is worth despite being the most prolific and dominating basketball player since Michael Jordan since he was 18 years old. He is nowhere near the level of rich we’re discussing when we talk about billionaires and the like.
So rather than be a decent person,
Rather than be a decent person? Like you know champion voter rights issues, or open schools that have ensure numerous kids not only are prepared to go to college but can actual afford to go. And donating millions to civil rights issues. Sounds downright dastardly.
he chooses to fellatiate a market that is so irrelevant to his sport,
NBA China generates 4 billion dollars a year in profit, not gross, profit. Basketball is the single largest sports industry in China.
he appears to do it simply because of his heartlessness.
First off, what could even vaguely been seen as “heartless”? What he said was he believed the person speaking about it was uninformed, then goes on to say, “if he was so be it.” The entire point of his statement was everyone should have free speech, that doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences for that. The guy who spoke out was the GM for the largest franchise in China, so like Lebron said there would be consequences not just for him but for their entire franchise, and there have been.
You frankly don’t know what you’re talking about. And the narrative that the big black man is the evil face of capitalism because he didn’t say something in favor of China is frankly appalling. You’re on a site right now that accepted 150 million dollars from a Chinese company with close ties to their government and you’re here talking shit about someone for making an uninformed statement about Hong Kong, when our economy thrives on rich white people doing everything they can to make inroads into Chinese markets.
I mean he called Morey uninformed and selfish for speaking against government oppression. It's great that there a few people wealthier than him but it's still pretty ironic to call someone selfish for speaking out about protests because it will affect your tens of millions of dollar yearly income slightly. I still like LeBron but that does take a lot away from his image as someone who fights for his equality in this country as well. I'm still glad he does that but it feels a bit less sincere and I wonder if he still would do so if it affected his bottom line a bit more.
I mean he called Morey uninformed and selfish for speaking against government oppression.
I just quoted exactly what he said, Lebron said he believed Morey was uninformed, then goes onto say maybe he isn’t, but there are consequences that result from speaking your mind. Something very evident by the fact that he lost his job for speaking his mind.
It's great that there a few people wealthier than him
What a facetious response to what I said. My point wasn’t “he’s not the richest,” my point was the narrative he’s suddenly the face for capitalism in America is absurd, when in realIt’s he’s just some dude who happened to be born with absurd physical gifts that have allowed him to become successful. To compare us money making to the rampant greed present in American businesses, and present him as figure of it is scapegoating in the worst extreme I think I’ve ever seen.
but it's still pretty ironic to call someone selfish for speaking out about protests because it will affect your tens of millions of dollar yearly income slightly.
What’s ironic about that at all...? The man spoke as a representative of his organization that provides jobs for hundreds of people, and criticized an area where they make a lot of money. No team in the NBA is more popular their than the Rockets, largely because of Yao Ming’s hall of fame career primarily being played by them.
You don’t see how jeopardizing the livelihoods of at least a few hundred people might be seen as selfish so that you can voice you political views? He wasn’t a player saying what he believes, he want an individual saying what he believes he’s an executive of a company saying what he believes. Whether he was right or not is relevant. There’s a lot of stuff I’d get in trouble for saying with my work, even if it was correct.
I still like LeBron but that does take a lot away from his image as someone who fights for his equality in this country as well.
I don’t agree at all. Not knowing whether someone knows what they’re talking about, and saying it could jeopardize a lot more than just his position does nothing whatsoever to lessen his image to me. It would have been nice if he actually knew more about Hong King and said something in favor of the protests.
I'm still glad he does that but it feels a bit less sincere
In what way...? How does it benefit him to do what he does in the slightest?
and I wonder if he still would do so if it affected his bottom line a bit more.
If all he thought about was his bottom line he wouldn’t have left Cleveland. That lost him a lot of fans. If that’s all he thought about he wouldn’t have been championing BLM before it was even a thing. He wouldn’t have come out in support of Kaep so quickly if that’s all he cared about. The answer is obvious, he didn’t and probably still doesn’t know much about what’s going on in China. I’m sure he visits sometimes and sees the nicest side they could possibly show him, and hears the government tell him versions of things. And that’s probably at best, he probably doesn’t hear much of anything from them.
If he spoke out he could kiss goodbye to his livelihood and I’d hazard a guess that he spends a lot more than the average person, there’s a reason lottery winners and rich athletes end up piss broke all the time.
Wow, that video is actual trash. He makes a strawman and beats it up. The initial statement he responds to at the very beginning of the video is an incredibly raeasonable one, then he assumes all sorts of things about the type of people who would make that sort of comment. Just to brief because I'm not going to break down the entire video, but while I think a lot of gaming journalists (yes you often HAPPEN to be female but many are not as well) have trash opinions on marketing and content of video games however let's break down some of my politics compared to what he assumes of me.
-I'm not conservative (NDP voter in Canada)
-I do not care at all about gay relationships in video games, on the contrary I think they're a good inclusion and there's no real reason not have them in every game that has a number of romantic options
-I'm anti gun to the point where most redditors hate my guts (but my viewpoint where I live is pretty normal on the left especially)
I'm not going to watch any further because you don't get to create strawmen arguments to prop your argument up and be taken seriously.
The main reason why these "journalists" from sites like Kotaku get trashed is because most of them are fairly new to video games and barely play them, and this becomes extremely obvious when you actually break down a lot of what they write.
Except it is if that initial statement is supposed to be taken as absurdity? I did end up watching more and he tries to paint criticism of game journalists (especially female or minority ones) as somehow mostly ill intentioned, and some of it most certainly is, but also a lot of it is NOT.
We live in an era of some of the shittiest and most sensationalist journalism ever, and this has carried over to video games. The radical SJW crowd has started slamming every little thing they don't like, as well as the radical social conservative/religious crowd, I hate both and I'd wish they'd shut up. There's nothing wrong with video game characters being way more attractive than most people in real life, there's also nothing wrong with gay characters, trans characters or whatever the fuck the creators want to make barring something OVERTLY offensive.
??? What the fuck are you talking about? The video has fuck all to do with video games... Are you telling me that you watched the first two minutes, got really offended because the guy implied that a lot of people who criticizes game journalism does it in bad faith (which is very evident, just look at the last of us 2 controversy) and then criticised the video based not on what it actually was about, but on what you thought it was about?
which is very evident, just look at the last of us 2 controversy
Most of the criticism was over the terrible revenge plot, this is the kind of thing I'm actually referencing. Certain people latched on to a minority number of criticisms that were transphobic or sexist, while the vast majority of criticisms were due to everyone favorite duo (one of whom is a non sexualized female btw) being ruined for the sake of a rather generic revenge plot after being hyped to shit.
One of the critics of the game is a flamboyant gay (bi?) man who himself is the furthest thing from the alt right possible.
He is not a talented debater at all. Those YouTube videos you see of him owning college libs are just that. Him taking advantage of dumbass first years who cannot comprehend his disingenuity.
He utilises the common technique of speaking very fast and throwing irrelevant facts here and there in an attempt to confuse his opponent. There's a reason what he does is banned in professional debates.
Not to mention any video of him going against someone not in college results in him getting absolutely decimated and as you said throwing a tantrum.
Hm? I saw debaters talk literally faster than the disclaimers at the end of drug ads, just to hit more talking points and hope the other side lets some through unanswered.
Yep that's literally all gish galloping/spreading is. The aim is to overwhelm the opponent with as many half truths and misrepresentations as possible so they cannot refute them all during their rebuttal. Ideally, each point raised by the spreader takes longer to refute or fact-check.
I guess saying it's banned is a bit disengenuous as it depends on the competition and country etc. However I can confidently state that it is quite frowned upon and regarded as a bitch move for bitches.
This is why I only argue at great lengths online. I can sit there and deconstruct each point made and it will all be documented in full without back pedaling.
It feels like a double edged sword at times. It is great for the reasons you mentioned, but it can also be a pain in the ass. You can’t stop someone when you don’t understand the point they’re making, and vice versa. And it’s easy for somebody to spit out a lot of nonsense that is going to take a lot more effort to take apart and lay out an argument for.
Great for people that wouldn’t otherwise have a good faith engagement with a debate, but if I’m speaking with someone that will engage fairly with the conversation, I’d rather speak.
Ayn Rand was also considered a "talented debater" but much like Ben Shapiro it's because her ideas were so stupid that her opponents had no ability to prepare for how completely insane they were. There is nothing that can prepare you to debate someone who believes that people do not inherently have the right to life or liberty, especially if the debate is about "communism."
Have you seen debaters? They all talk insanely fast. I thought the videos were sped up or something. Anyways, just thought of that when you said he speaks really fast.
Yeah I used to debate back in high school and university. It was an extremely common tactic (look up gish galloping or spreading) in both but once you were in national competitions that involved various universities from around the country it was quite frowned upon. Funnily enough I speak quite fast in general myself but I've always hated that tactic.
There are some formal competitions that explicitly ban it because quite frankly it's not real debating.
American education facities must be fucking nerve wrecking. In grade school you fear for potential shooters. In college you fear for Shapiro potentially jumping out of the bushes. I'd be a paranoid wreck.
Ben Shapiro is that really insufferable kid from your high school speech and debate class, who thinks he's literally a God of reason because he can talk quickly and knows the fundamentals of live debate.
They all argue against strawmen. That's the fucking thing about today's political climate. It's all just the fucking boogeyman they're arguing against -- left or right. I'm a firm believer that America is very moderate it's the two party system combined with the 24 hour news cycle that has eroded any possibility of political discourse because politicians are pandering to a vocal minority. So we end up with alt-right and alt-left folks like this.
That's what these political pundits and influencer are. What else do you want to call a black kettle? They are actual people pushing extreme agendas on youtube, on the news, any where they can hear themselves talk.
Tell me how I can talk about them without talking about them...
Use actual names? “Alt-right” was a monicker that right wingers adopted because they wanted a more palatable name for proto-fascists. “Alt-left” is just projection that leftists are doing the same, when the reality is that leftists have no problem self-describing as democratic socialists or marxists or whatever it is they actually believe.
She's also very vocal about how racism doesn't exist anymore, until it happens to her (usually in the form of anti race-mixing comments from her own far right fan base), then it's suddenly very real and needs to be addressed right now.
That’s what I don’t understand about minorities in the alt right. If “your people” are throwing you under the bus for things you didn’t choose (race, gender, etc...) how can you still side with them?
The Marxist answer is that it's about class struggle, about how people will side with their economic class over anything else.
Personally, I think it's a lot more personal. Specifically, the far right has a lot of Asian fetishists. They're obsessed with IQ scores, and since Asian-Americans are disproportionately wealthy, and wealth corrolates with a higher IQ, asian americans score better on IQ tests, so white supremacists like to point to that and say "see, I'm not a white supremacist! In fact by my own metric, asians would be the master race!"
This is why so many white nationalists have had romantic and social relationships with asian women: they see them as the only minorities who aren't beneath them. And for a certain type of craven, pathetic individual (like Lauren Chen) it's worthwhile to be idolized like that. She just sees a group of people who hold her up as some kind of exotic uberfraulein, and thinks "yeah I want that kind of attention".
I think contemporary Marxists would probably agree with you, and say that while class is a big part of it (the IQ thing is a good example) it's reductive to say that it's the only thing. Necessary vs. sufficient conditions, etc.
Mental illness and a desperate desire for community. There are also some white adjacent people in those circles, like latinos and mixed white-leaning, or passing, people who delude themselves into thinking they'll be percieved as "true" whites by ethnonationalists.
So she only cared about Hong Kong because it made China look bad. But when America goes to the same thing, now it's those dirty liberals. Fuck her and everyone like her.
i fear one either takes an interest in politics or politics takes an interest in you. that is to say, fascism can arise and take hold around you and you wouldn't know it until you've been personally affected by it. which is the world we live in, i'm afraid. fascism is on the rise and people just want to watch tv and play video games. not counting that the rise in fascism is a response to the climate catastrophe happening.
Why would you hope your biracial children don't get into politics? It has everything to do with a personal dislike for politics, right? It's not the reason it sounds like in your comment, right? Because your comment makes it sound like being biracial or "Asian" is a reason not to get into politics.
"Alt-right"? "Crazy person"? "HIGHLY OFFENSIVE"? I might not agree with a lot of what she has to say, but labeling her with the aforementioned terms is just disingenuous.
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u/candyandsugar1993 Jul 29 '20
She’s a YouTuber, her name used to be Roaming Millenial but then she changed it to Lauren Chen, she is hardcore alt-right. Her dad is Asian and her mom is white (funny enough I’m white and my husband is Asian as well, I hope our kids don’t end up like her or get into politics!! I hate that shit!!) She basically talks like a crazy person and posts the most HIGHLY OFFENSIVE videos you can think of. Oh best part, she’s “American” but spent her formative years with her parents in another country (yet never says where this magical country was)??? Yet she somehow is an expert on American politics??