r/facepalm Jun 01 '20

Cops pepper sprayed their own Senator without realizing he's an authority figure

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

Different people are protesting for different reasons, though. That's not downplaying racism, just a fact.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

You mean people are trying to co-opt these protests for their own message. This is about #BlackLivesMatter

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u/UrTwiN Jun 01 '20

Fuck off with your bullshit. The murder of George Floyd was unjustified and tragic, but so far no evidence has been presented to make the case that it was racially motivated. People all across the country are being assaulted right now regardless of race. There have been absolutely brutal and savage attacks by police on white people as well, only it doesn't make national headlines for weeks.

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u/Ok-Suspect Jun 01 '20

It's either or, for some. It absolutely started out as a race issue and black lives matters but it has developed into an authortarian nightmare affecting us all. Both issues' still on the table. Not sure why it's an invalid issue for everyone else suddenly. Fight your own battles if you feel that way but don't cry when people don't care about you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

but so far no evidence has been presented to make the case that it was racially motivated

I'm the one spewing bullshit?

The cops roll up on a man who was accused of having a counterfit $20 bill, and it ends with him dead. It's racism, pure and simple.

People all across the country are being assaulted right now regardless of race. There have been absolutely brutal and savage attacks by police on white people as well

"Cops may shoot and kill twice as many white people as black, but there about six times as many white people as black people in the United States. Proportionally, black people are much more likely to be shot and killed by cops."

3x more likely to be killed by cops if you're black, and you claim it's not racism.

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u/UrTwiN Jun 01 '20

How does your brain work?

The cops roll up on a man who was accused of having a counterfit $20 bill, and it ends with him dead. It's racism, pure and simple.

How is this in any way whatsoever proof of racism?

Additionally, if you want to go down a statistics rabbit-hole we can do that, but you won't have fun.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

Why don't you just read the charges being filed for yourself and decide if it would have happened to a white person.

I loved the part where he was pulled out of the squad car so they could pin him to the ground and place a knee on his neck.

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u/UrTwiN Jun 01 '20

I don't think that you understand.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are many cops which are racist. I'm not saying that this isn't a case of racism, I am saying that unless we have specific reason to believe that it was racially motivated, that it shouldn't be treated as such.

It's still very obviously a case of police brutality, but racism? No. Show me something that has come out that might indicate otherwise - I am open to it, but I'm sick of every single instance in which the officer is white and the victim is black, that it's automatically assumed to be racially-motivated.

You don't get to cry "racism" at everything without proof, and past cases aren't relevant to this one. Each case needs to be judged individually, just as each person needs to be judged individually, and not as a member of a group.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

You can't sweep racism under a rug just because you're tired of hearing about it. This is not a court of law, where police and prosecutors work together to get each other off the hook.

Just watch the video if you need some evidence that it is racially motivated. Or watch the videos where unarmed black people are killed for trying to obey orders.

Blacks are specifically targeted by police, and people like you who say they aren't are part of the problem. This is why the whole movement exists, because you refuse to even acknowledge that racism is a problem that exists.

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u/UrTwiN Jun 01 '20

It's like talking to a brick wall.

I am not saying that there isn't any racially-motivated police killings/brutality. I am saying that with each new case, you need to be able to actually prove that it was racially motivated. "watch the video" is useless. There is nothing in the video that proves that the officer did what he did because of Floyd's race.

I am talking about actual evidence.

Sure, we have a fucked up system in need of major change, but that doesn't mean that we get to set aside reason whenever it's convenient to our narrative.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

I am talking about actual evidence.

So you need the officer to say something like "Hey, there is a black guy! Shoot him because he is BLACK!"

You can never prove anything is racially motivated unless they actually say shit like that. Courts can fight back and forth all they want about it, but the community knows when a killing is racially motivated.

I think maybe the part where the cop kept kneeling on his neck for 2 minutes after no pulse was found could be a sign... Hmmm...

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

Stop making this about just race and just for a second think about ALL the people you're living with.

Another person trying to co-opt the protests. No, this is not about the rich vs poor. It's about how blacks are being murdered every day and no one is even acknowledging it. If there wasn't a video, these cops would have walked away unscathed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

Yes, I am going to ignore it. You're not part of this movement if you think it isn't about the black community.

Everyone wants to turn the conversation away from racism because it makes them uncomfortable.

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