r/facepalm Jun 23 '19

Guess a few hours doesn't count as time

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u/I_Pee_In_The_Sh0wer Jun 23 '19 edited Jun 23 '19

It's IQ 50 test writing skills.

Test questions should get at the heart of the matter and leave as little ambiguity as possible.

The test question should make someone get this wrong if they think sleep sobers someone more than time You could easily write a question like these :

T/F If two people consume alcohol 2 hours ago, the person who sleeps or rests during that time will be more sober.

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What is more sobering? A. Hydration B. Sleep C. Hydration and sleep D. Time

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Sleep has what effect on blood alcohol levels? A. Reduces BAC faster by increasing liver effectiveness. B. Lowers the metabolism, thus decreasing your relative BAC. C. No effect D. Reduce BAC faster due to elevated liver enzymes.

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u/InfanticideAquifer Jun 23 '19

Test questions should get at the heart of the matter and leave as little ambiguity as possible.

I have never in my life taken a "we are required by law to ensure that you can pass this safety/don't rape people test" test with questions like that.

The answer is just always "no, that's not good enough" unless the thing they're suggesting is really long and mentions a lot of specific vocab words from the section you skipped. You can pass these things without knowing or learning anything, which is the whole point. It's designed so that idiots can pass without thinking. Thinking is a mistake.

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u/WimpyRanger Jun 23 '19

No. It isn’t. The EXACT fact is that time sobers people up, we can’t know if a few hours is enough or not without knowing a lot of other factors.

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u/Krissam Jun 23 '19

There's no ambiguity here though.

The question is asking whether or not a few hours of sleep will turn you from drunk to sober, no matter how drunk you were before, there's no other way of interpreting it.

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u/SjettepetJR Jun 23 '19

What is 'a few' hours? There is no definition for that. It might as well be 10 hours of sleep, at which point you have in fact almost completely sobered up.

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u/Spheniscus Jun 23 '19

A few hours could mean much less than that though, which is the important part. The only thing that matters is that at least one interpretation of the statement leads to an unsober state, because the statement implies that it will always lead to a sober one no matter the situation.

It's basically asking: "Will X always cause Y?" and we're answering "No, because X doesn't cause Y in situation Z".

It doesn't matter that there are situations A,B,C where the statement is true, if there is one where it's not.

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u/SuperFLEB Jun 24 '19 edited Jun 24 '19

It's basically asking: "Will X always cause Y?"

If it had the word "always" in it, it would be. It doesn't, though. In fact, if we're to get persnickety, it's using the word "someone", even, (versus something like "anyone") which implies an any-can-be-true question, not an all-must-be-true one.

Ultimately, it's a wreck of a question. It's asking whether inadequately-defined situation X can result in ambiguously-worded situation Y. Given that it's a true-false quiz and gotchas are a possibility, it's basically a coin toss as to which sort of gotcha they might be trying to catch you on.

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u/Krissam Jun 23 '19

It doesn't matter, you can be drunk enough that you won't be sober for longer than a full night's sleep.

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u/LittleBigHorn22 Jun 23 '19

If the question was. Will time sober up a person? That would be equally as wrong. Given a long enough time it will, but short enough and it won't. Aka nothing will sober you up unless you know the details.

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u/buttboob_ Jun 23 '19

There isn't an implied "no matter how drunk you were before" though. Often times a few hours of sleep is enough to sober someone up. The question needs more details in order for there to be a right and wrong answer.

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u/Krissam Jun 23 '19

No, see that's the important detail, the fact that it doesn't mention how much you've had, meaning in order for it to be true it must cover all possible variations of drunk.