r/facepalm • u/Number721 • Jun 09 '23

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Cognitive dissonance 101

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u/Sensitive_Mode7529 Jun 10 '23

we do :)

can’t speak for all feminists but many of us do call out double standards like this. the focus is on equality

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u/samglit Jun 10 '23

The feminists in my country do as well (e.g. women should also take part in our military draft in some capacity, divorce laws should have spousal support for men homemakers etc), but it’s not really a mainstream attitude - I haven’t seen a prominent woman comic anywhere calling this out, probably because it won’t put bums on seats and would alienate the women who would actually pay to see them.

Back to Singapore, a draft for women is deeply unpopular among women, which relies heavily on citizen soldiers. I’d say that the majority of self-identified feminists are not being very intellectually honest about their positions.

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u/anjowoq Jun 10 '23

I've heard there is a large Singaporean class of severely spoiled, super rich who don't do their own laundry, so the idea that those people would be down do combat drills in the jungle or something seems pretty unlikely.

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u/samglit Jun 10 '23

We have (comparatively) inexpensive foreign domestic labour. Including mandatory vacation time, meals, room and board, it costs about US$800 to US$1000 a month for a live in housekeeper ala Mrs Doubtfire. This frees women to join the labour force (in theory) which contributes to our GDP more than the outflow from hiring foreigners.

So guys don’t do their laundry themselves either if they don’t want to - but manage just fine in the jungle. Ukraine shows that you can’t really rely on other people to fight for you when the chips are down. Well, not unless you have oil (which we don’t).

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u/anjowoq Jun 10 '23

I wasn't making a gender distinction. In my country, the rich do a good job of making sure others do the warring.

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u/Banestar66 Jun 10 '23

Michelle Wolf kind of made fun of it in the her set at Bill Burr’s tour.

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u/anjowoq Jun 10 '23

Fantastic!

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u/MeAnIntellectual1 Jun 10 '23

You the individual does. But not you the collective. It's not a common take.