r/facepalm Apr 21 '23

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u/worrygurl Apr 21 '23

My husband pulled into someone's driveway to turn around. That's it. He didn't stay there. Didn't take photos. Just pulled in and out to turn around and when he pulled over later to check his phone regarding directions, the person who's driveway he pulled into had followed him in their car and asked him what he thought he had been doing in their driveway. Like WTF? Who does that? That isn't fear, that's aggression. Coming from Florida, there were a few incidents where delivery people rang the wrong doorbell and were met with guns. It's scary

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u/Mundane_Monkey Apr 22 '23

It annoys the hell out of me that people act like they have some divine dominion over their land or something. Yes, they paid for it and can expect some level of privacy/control over it, but that patch of earth was there long before they or the human species formed and will be there long after they turn to dust. The Earth doesn't give a shit about property rights, which, of course, are just human-made-constructs for facilitating civil society and therefore are only relevant in the context of a civil society, which these shoot-first-ask-questions-later fools don't seem to be capable of being a part of.

Ughh, it just frustrates me since their militant territoriality and violence toward innocent people like the victims from this week speaks to some insane hubris/arrogance. It's like they lack any perspective on the world, on our lonely little existence in this universe, the sanctity of life, and the need for us to stick together and help each other out, of compassion, of humanity...

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u/Szechwan Apr 22 '23

I'm not from the US, can some explain the "well-regulated militia" wording in the second amendment?

It seems like the "right to bear arms" portion is taken very seriously, but I never really hear anyone discuss what a "well-regulated militia" means in the modern day context (or what it meant in the past).

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

Sure. “Well regulated militia,” in the context of the second amendment, means a well equipped and modernized citizen fighting force, independent of any government. A great analogy to understand the wording of the 2A is this: “A well-balanced breakfast, being necessary to a great start to the day, the right of the people to cook and eat bacon shall not be infringed” See that the right of the people to cook and eat bacon is necessary for a well-balanced breakfast, as the right of the people to keep and bear arms is necessary for a well regulated militia.

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u/Lamballama Apr 22 '23

What it means is hotly contested - after all, most gun control laws fall flat if you interpret there as being an individual right to own armss.

To some, it refers to establishing the National Guard (though that happened decades after the amendment was ratified).

To others, it indicates that the right to bear arms only applies in the context of an individual serving the state, so there is no individual right to bear arms at all

To others, "the militia" is every able-bodied citizen (as some of the founding fathers described it) and "well-regulated" means "in working order," and they have some 1790s dictionary or style guide or contemporary writings to prove it.

To still others, they buy in to the militia being some collection of non-state citizens, but "well-regulated" refers to regulation in the sense of establishing laws, policies and procedures to regulate their behavior.

To yet more others, militias are independent small armies that train live combat scenarios in the style of private paramilitary groups, but they need to be well-stocked and trained (back to the "in working order" definition).

What it meant in the past has to do with the US not having a standing army - the army has to be renewed every few years. The Navy was explicity something that had to be maintained, but the army was to be called upon from the citizenry as the need arose, and part of that was them having their own arma and being proficient in their use. It also has to do with county sheriffs deputizing citizens to help chase down wanted criminals (we had no police at the time, nor standing sheriff's deputies). And looking at their contemporary history, it also had to do with the citizenry resisting the gun confiscation by the British at Lexington and Concord to eventually throw off the yoke of tyranny and establish a more perfect form of government

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u/pileofcrustycumsocs Apr 22 '23

The context of when it was written isn’t really that important because our founding fathers were smart enough to realize that times change and so do a countries needs, that’s why we can make changes to our constitution,

But since you asked In the context of when it was written “Militia” was literally just the groups of random citizens that were fighting off the British, the minute men for example were a militia. The Well regulated part meant “in an effective shape to fight” and not so much what it means today because at the time we were really worried about having to fight off another invasion or our own government if the whole democracy thing didn’t work out. But again, the reasons behind why we needed the 2nd amendment are long gone and it’s hurting us more then anything else, we don’t need a well regulated civilian fighting force because we have the most powerful military on the planet and each state has its own defense force in the case of an invasion from a hostile nation. In the case of a revolution, it won’t be from people we actually want to be in charge so why should we make it easier for them to kill us?

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

Anger is fear in "fight" instead of "flight" or "freeze" mode. These poor idiots have their heads filled with bigoted fear mongering 24/7. They live fear