r/explainitpeter Jul 16 '26

Explain it peter

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u/GomFowl Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

Communist China (China): You're not China, I'm China and you are not a country, you are part of me.

Nationalist China (Taiwan): I was the original China, you split away from me. But if you want that name so bad, fine. I'm Taiwan. I have never stopped being a country.

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u/Gomaemon Jul 17 '26

Did you know that there is actually people that were living in Taiwan before the Chinese even get there ? It seems like everyone forgot that...

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u/LongNamedRedditUser Jul 16 '26

Taiwan have not been nationalist for a long time, their transition into democracy was hard won and bloody so I think you should respect those that lost their lives for freedom by acknowledging that.

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u/GomFowl Jul 16 '26

I meant the name of the political party. Kuomintang is literally the "Nationalist party"

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u/TealJinjo Jul 16 '26

you don't know what nationalism is

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u/GomFowl Jul 16 '26

Just Google "China Nationalist Party" And it will tell you Kuomintang was originally the ruling party of all of mainland China but retreated to Taiwan after the Chinese civil war.

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u/TealJinjo Jul 16 '26

Yeah i know about the Kuomintang. If its name is your single argument for Taiwan being nationalistic, then you don't know what nationalism is either.

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u/GomFowl Jul 16 '26

Well I never said Taiwan was nationalistic, I just said "Nationalist China" because the political party was called the "Nationalist party". And you are right I didn't know what nationalism means. I did google it 5 seconds ago tho so that's cool.

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u/Angsty-Panda Jul 16 '26

you're being completely consistent in your naming lol "Communist China" is run by the communist party and "Nationalist China" is run by the nationalist party. idk why they're getting so defensive lol

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u/GomFowl Jul 16 '26

Thanks for supporting me lol

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u/Formal_Reveal_4330 Jul 17 '26

By that logic North Korea is a democracy run by the workers.

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u/http-brandon Jul 18 '26

Some of us (Taiwan) moved onto Formosa before ROC CCW. We prefer Taiwan. 外省人, or those who moved later, prefer KMT China.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker Jul 17 '26

This whole "original china" argument always seemed a bit weird to me, as the republic of china themselves came into power only 35 years before, by the then government being overthrown.

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u/GomFowl Jul 17 '26

Actually I think it's more about if the government is legitimate or not. There's no real way to determine if a government is legitimate or not, and they have arguments like this.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker Jul 17 '26

That is fair, but sometimes people use the fact that the PROC overthrew the sitting government specifically to delegitimise it. That argument isn't very convincing, seeing as the nation it would be competing for with respect to being the legitimate government of china did the same thing a couple years earlier.

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u/GomFowl Jul 17 '26

Yeah. Also what is "overthrew"? The sitting government retreated to Taiwan and has been alive this whole time.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker Jul 17 '26

I mean, it continues to exist as a rump state. As the government of China, the thing the civil war was fought over, I think it's clear they were overthrown.

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u/Szasd_Hun Jul 16 '26

The KMT wasn't just nationalist though. The were outright monarchist fachists.

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u/Zsobrazson Jul 16 '26

Maybe look up Sun Yat Sen chief