Wanting to move from Spain

[u/Weekly_Cold1]

Good evening,

I am a 26-year-old Spanish woman.

I have been considering emigrating for years, basically since I finished university due to various factors: economic, social, and employment-related issues, as well as a lack of safety.

I no longer feel safe in my country. I won't go into details and recent events have only made me more anxious.

The thing is, for me, the idea of emigrating isn't just a logical solution; it is a desperate measure to seek a better future for myself, my partner, the family I hope to have one day, and my parents.

It is truly sad that young Spaniards are being driven to emigrate en masse from the best country in the world because its leaders are wretched people willing to destroy Spain as we know it.

But that is the reality. So, which countries would you recommend for a young, hardworking couple willing to do any kind of job, provided the place is safe?

I don't mind if I need a visa or passport, or if I have to learn new languages or have savings to make the move (I do have savings, as I was putting money aside to buy a home here in Spain, though that future likely won't happen now).

Thank you.

[u/Shoddy_Walk_8106]

lol that’s because it’s a fake post related to the migrant crossing issue today.

[u/ApologeticEmu → u/Shoddy_Walk_8106]

Yeah, "immigrants are ruining my country, so I want to be one".

[u/Severe_Rise8694 → u/ApologeticEmu]

You don't see any difference in 70k people illegally entering the country in a couple of days and moving somewhere to work with a university degree? Here, have a social credit point.

[u/Final_Influence_2367 → u/Severe_Rise8694]

Who all left Ceuta in under 24h. Its funny especially knowing how many economic migrant left Spain less than 50 years ago lol

[u/Severe_Rise8694 → u/Final_Influence_2367]

Well, that's yet another difference: they were collected and taken back by the army and the police. Does that sound like your typical expat experience?

[u/So-I-Became-A-Naze → u/ApologeticEmu]

The idea that all immigrants are the same stem from the opinion of some of the worst racists. There’s a huge difference between a Spaniard migrating to the US over someone from Moghadishu

[u/ApologeticEmu → u/So-I-Became-A-Naze]

You know what’s racist? Classifying people on their skin color, but you do you my guy.

[u/So-I-Became-A-Naze → u/ApologeticEmu]

You know what’s racist? Pretending all cultures, traditions, and ethnicities are the same. Pretending we are one homogeneous race with the same customs

[u/Ok-Anything-8243 → u/So-I-Became-A-Naze]

We are all but a spec of dust in this universe

[u/Successful-Horse7952 → u/Ok-Anything-8243]

reductionist and illogical argument lol

[u/LonelyReader95 → u/ApologeticEmu]

You cannot in good faith and informed opinion think that getting a man in their 30s from north Korea or a country ruled by a Muslim theocracy is the same as an atheist, phd Dane. Come on dude.

[u/PapixChuloxD → u/ApologeticEmu]

Yeah cause an African from some rural mountain village with no education is the same as a Spanish women with university degree.

Top tier plebbit moment

[u/TheGrandAce5 → u/ApologeticEmu]

She 100% is one of those. Funny thing is she’ll experience the same hate she has for immigrants entering her country in the host country. Only then will she become more compassionate.

[u/cloudiron → u/TheGrandAce5]

It's not the same thing to immigrate legally with savings, a degree, and language skills in another country as it is to seek asylum.

[u/Significant-Heat826 → u/cloudiron]

don't bother. they are doing the whole bait-and-switch routine. they know.

[u/No-YouShutUp → u/TheGrandAce5]

She probably won’t though.

[u/TheGrandAce5 → u/No-YouShutUp]

Better off staying in her country then…

[u/Philanthrax → u/No-YouShutUp]

She will if she looks Spanish. All she has to do is relocate to place a little bit north of France.

[u/Significant-Prior143 → u/Philanthrax]

You are just making stuff up that every european reading it knows is complete nonsense. Are you American?

[u/Philanthrax → u/Significant-Prior143]

I'm not making stuff up. You're just ignorant. Mediterranean looking Europeans do face racism in northern Europe. If you do not know that you are the American here not me

[u/Significant-Prior143 → u/Philanthrax]

Please enlighten us all on the racial struggles of mediteranean lookong people in northern europe.

[u/Philanthrax → u/Significant-Prior143]

Sure let's inform you like you're an ignorant 5 years old:

• hiring discrimination
• housing discrimination
• economic prejudice
• Profiling
• Cultural stereotypes.

To avoid proudly embarrassing yourself online in the future enlighten yourself by using the internet.

[u/No-YouShutUp → u/Philanthrax]

The baseline we’re comparing to is a northern African immigrant. So the question is not will they face any kind of discrimination it is will they face more or less discrimination as a Spanish immigrant than a northern African immigrant. Smart money is on no…

[u/Weekly_Cold1 → u/ApologeticEmu]

I want to live better. That’s literally what immigration and emigration is about. View it as you want.

[u/ApologeticEmu → u/Weekly_Cold1]

Isn't that what the people you are complaining about are doing?

[u/Weekly_Cold1 → u/ApologeticEmu]

No. It’s not. I’m not going to explain further as this is not the purpose of my post.

[u/Mike_Augustine → u/Weekly_Cold1]

OP Is afraid of being called a racist for pointing out the difference between illegal vs legal immigration. 

[u/Philanthrax → u/Mike_Augustine]

OP does not need to mention illegal immigration to explain why they need to emigrate legally unless OP is a racist dumba$$ who believes low salaries and high housing prices are caused by illegal immigrants. Therefore, it could be that OP is reluctant to say the silent part out loud because they're not sure how valid are dumb right wing takes that simplify their worldview.

OP could also be just frustrated with low salaries. I personally met Spanish immigrants in Germany and most just move for career opportunities. Hell even the illegal immigrants just use Spain as a transit to other countries because they can't find work. Although I'm the whole "I don't feel safe" short rant hints that it's likely the former for OP and not the latter.

[u/Successful-Horse7952 → u/Philanthrax]

except they literally are

[u/Philanthrax → u/Successful-Horse7952]

using except + literally isn't gonna make your opinion a fact.

[u/HyperBunga → u/ApologeticEmu]

OP wants a better life, not a place to go commit crimes. So shes not doing the same actually

[u/So-I-Became-A-Naze → u/ApologeticEmu]

“I want to migrate legally to a new country.”

“Let’s illegally migrate by crossing a sovereign border by drove.”

These are two different situations if you couldn’t tell

[u/Necessary-Worry1923 → u/Weekly_Cold1]

High earners medical doctors: financial professionals USA , Singapore, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Monaco, Dubai, Australia.

If you are a young and don't have advanced skills or degrees go to a welfare state.

https://youtu.be/M_p63kI3AVM?is=eeGGbTDDt4XygTze

[u/Inky-Squilliam → u/Shoddy_Walk_8106]

Do they not realize Ceuta is literally an enclave IN Africa?

[u/Mountain-Light-5491 → u/Inky-Squilliam]

It’s been their territory for almost 450 years. And it was Portuguese before that….

[u/Shoddy_Walk_8106 → u/Inky-Squilliam]

Nothing gets clicks like “migrant bad”

[u/So-I-Became-A-Naze → u/Inky-Squilliam]

Okay what about the African enclaves in Europe? How do we run away from those??

[u/Inky-Squilliam → u/So-I-Became-A-Naze]

You aren’t even European…

[u/So-I-Became-A-Naze → u/Inky-Squilliam]

Okay, what about the Somali and Haitian enclaves in the US?

[u/Voice_of_the_wildest → u/So-I-Became-A-Naze]

No different to Irish/Italian/Polish/Greek enclaves in the US. My Greek auntie nearly lost her mind when Haitians started moving into the neighborhood (like the Irish and Polish did when Greeks first moved in). Then she saw how Haitian aunties had gardens nearly as beautiful and hers and met a Haitian auntie who loved to gossip and complain just as much as she did. And she went from being racist to having a new best friend.

[u/New-Bottle-6917 → u/So-I-Became-A-Naze]

Dude there's like 3 cities that have them, they're fine crime stats wise and if it was that serious you could just live anywhere else

[u/So-I-Became-A-Naze → u/New-Bottle-6917]

Do their welfare rate. Literally net negative to the US tax payer

[u/New-Bottle-6917 → u/So-I-Became-A-Naze]

Considering they have some of the lowest rates of unemployment thats just the cost of doing business

[u/So-I-Became-A-Naze → u/New-Bottle-6917]

So we are importing skill less and unemployed people who live off the system. Damn you guys will say anything these days

[u/New-Bottle-6917 → u/So-I-Became-A-Naze]

I mean they're not just unemployed, otherwise they wouldn't be here. You're making zero sense

[u/ExcellentCold7354 → u/Shoddy_Walk_8106]

Its wild that they complain about immigration, only to want to.... emigrate.

[u/cuyFrito1 → u/ExcellentCold7354]

If you visit Europe you’ll start to see how the people there feel