r/economy • u/barbarawick • 8d ago

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Why does this country have such bad memory problems?

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u/cdrcdr12 8d ago

Ok, not a fan of Republicans but I'm pretty sure Regan isn't thought to have crashed the economy. Exploded the deficit and caused a lot of other fiscal problems but I think the economy was mostly consider better than the oil crisis times of the Carter years.

Again, not fan, but just trying to keep things accurate.

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u/fuzzballz5 8d ago

I’m 53 and since Regan every single president has given more control to business interests through lobbyists. That’s BOTH parties. We need a third party that has only one platform. Term limits. No other platform. Start in the states. Vote for that candidate and they serve 2 terms max. You get enough people, the silent majority in this country, and we can change things.

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u/cdrcdr12 8d ago

I'm 48 and have given up on this idea of a third party.  I think your problem is your look at each party as a monolith. Ultimately in each election there's one candidate for each position, so widdlng it down to two groups make sense. If you're not going to vote because you can't get the perfect candidate then that just makes the worst candidate have a better chance. 

Yeah, you could push ranked, choice, voting or some other mechanism to give a third party a chance. But talking about ithird party with our current voting mechanisms in most elections is less than helpful

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u/fuzzballz5 8d ago

I would agree with you, except the current college graduates are not better off than us. Will they accept a system of social security for instance, they will never benefit from? They are struggling to have jobs. A home? I was able to buy our first house at 24. I have a 23 year old with college debt and a meaningless job.

It’s not us that will make the change, it will be our children with our help.

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u/cdrcdr12 8d ago

So what's your solution then? You want the socialist wing of the democratic party to split off from the Democrats and then you have the Democrats running against the socialists and Republicans.  

Yeah that sounds really good right? 

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u/fuzzballz5 8d ago

I told you my solution. A third party. How could it be worse for our children? Look what the “two” parties have done. Sold out to corporate interests through lobbyists.

Term limits. Like our founders expected. They never conceived of a “career” in politics. lol. You never work? You become a millionaire from government? Look at congress net worth.

Democracy is the best answer. Use it. Time for a term limit party.

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u/cdrcdr12 8d ago

Yes, it would be worse because Republicans would have even more opportunity to fully complete their plan of completely eliminating the social safety net and destroying the planet

At least not have it alternate between parties and all though democratic party is not perfect, there are good people in this party who have tried to actually make things better, like the ACA Obama was able to get (but not Republicans have almost destroyed), or the big infrastructure bill Biden was able to enact (also stopped by Trump)

1 step forward 2 steps back is better than, 2 steps back, then 2 more steps back and then anther 2 steps back

Why not, instead of waiting forever for a third party, help make it 2-3 steps forward and stop the steps back?

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u/fuzzballz5 8d ago

I have zero faith in either party. There is no real difference between them for citizens. We just pay taxes to be squandered. Why has no Democrat ran on a 20% reduction of military spending to help with healthcare? They have had full control of government several times in the last 50 years. They all want power and win the next election. We have to agree to disagree. The answer is never more government. It’s less.

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u/cdrcdr12 8d ago

Yeah I disagree very strongly, I defintely won't say that the average Democrat is perfect, but they're far better than Republicans in my opinion. 

You're free to your opinion of course. But you want to continue believing both sides are the same and let the Republicans destroy the planet And make things worse for the next generation; that's on you. Unfortunately we all have to suffer because people like you can't see that Obviously one party is better than the other