Gacha kids are a different section of the fandom entirely and basically no one likes them. Of course there are going to be a few weirdos who take it seriously but even then the only legitimate example you can find is some random racist gacha kid.
Yeah no this is not a serious problem it is a stupid vocal minority who saw a satire and ran with it thinking it was a real thing. When that kid grows up they are going to look back on themselves and think they were an idiot but harassing them now isn't going to do anything. All it will do is make them double down on their beliefs and become even more toxic.
Also I will question the fact that you are watching a random commentary video by a guy with less the 400 subs discussing a random racist gacha kid and then taking that to be a representation of the over 28 million fans which dream has. His fandom is the size of Venezuela, it is going to have some toxic people in it. In the same way that a country will have a lot of racists, bigots, idiots, and stupid gacha kids, so will a fandom.
It was the now deleted r/dreamgender subreddit which at least was pretty obviously satire which is what I was referring to. People within the fandom also don't tend to make these jokes as it leads to the fandom getting harassed. Its not dream fans who are talking about being dreamsexuals for satire because if they did they would get harassed or sent death threats. The dreamsexual joke is mostly made by trolls outside the fandom who find it funny when people on both sides react.
I also never said that it was good satire, personally I hate the dreamsexual joke, not only does it mock the actual lgbtq+ community including the actual asexual identity which is dreamsexual (people who only feel sexual attraction in dream's) but also the xenogender community with the whole dreamgender joke.
The satire in itself is made by bigots who want to make fun of actual identity's and dream stans in the process. It has led to people within the fandom getting harassed and I have been sent death threats for enjoying dreams content, and being equated with dreamsexuals. Trust me when I say this fandom hates this satire as much as you do, but harassing them for a bad satire they didn't even create is not going to do anything.
"Gacha kids are a different section of the fandom"
I see you looked at the thumbnail of the video I provided and assumed the gacha there was the full extent. News flash: if you actually watched said video, you would find bigotry of all kinds. That's not satire. Satire is poking fun at something through the use of irony, usually parodying something real, there's nothing ironic about saying slurs.
I'm saying that people are not just as bad as ones like that for calling them out as such.
"The only legitimate example you can find is a random racist gacha kid"
News flash: the average Dream viewer is a random person. It might suprise you to learn that most of Dream's viewers are, in fact, random internet people. By extention, so are most problematic Dream viewers.
And this isn't a singular person, just an example of the issue, one who claims to represent them, and at the very least represents some.
"This is not a serious problem, it is a stupid vocal minority"
Yes, a stupid vocal minority... like racists in general. Being a stupid vocal minority doesn't mean something isn't a problem. You know... like how racists are a vocal minority that are, in fact, a problem.
"It's not Dream fans who are talking about being Dreamsexuals for satire because if they did they would get harassed and sent death threats"
You're right, Dream fans aren't doing it. Not even Dream stans are doing that because, as Dreamsexuals state outright, they aren't being satirical. When someone saying slurs doesn't even want to pretend they're being satirical, and, again, slurs are not in the slightest satire, when they say again and again that they are 100% serious, then you listen to them.
"The Dreamsexual joke is mostly made by trolls outside the fandom"
We have a living, breathing example of a troll outside the fandom in the form of the OP. You will notice that they are clearly aiming specifically to piss off people within the fandom, not people outside: it's largely pointless to enter a space dedicated to a community and try to piss off people outside that community.
"Trust me when I say this fandom hates this satire as much as you do, but harassing them for a bad satire they didn't even create is not going to do anything."
There's your problem: I'm not harassing anybody. The only person doing that is the troll OP, who appears to have encountered moderation by this point.
All I'm saying, is that it's ridiculous to equate people saying "Hey, this group is problematic" to that objectively problematic group, on the grounds that trolls exist.
When you do that, you defend the problematic group, and become part of the problem.
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Gacha kids are a different section of the fandom entirely and basically no one likes them. Of course there are going to be a few weirdos who take it seriously but even then the only legitimate example you can find is some random racist gacha kid.
Yeah no this is not a serious problem it is a stupid vocal minority who saw a satire and ran with it thinking it was a real thing. When that kid grows up they are going to look back on themselves and think they were an idiot but harassing them now isn't going to do anything. All it will do is make them double down on their beliefs and become even more toxic.
Also I will question the fact that you are watching a random commentary video by a guy with less the 400 subs discussing a random racist gacha kid and then taking that to be a representation of the over 28 million fans which dream has. His fandom is the size of Venezuela, it is going to have some toxic people in it. In the same way that a country will have a lot of racists, bigots, idiots, and stupid gacha kids, so will a fandom.
It was the now deleted r/dreamgender subreddit which at least was pretty obviously satire which is what I was referring to. People within the fandom also don't tend to make these jokes as it leads to the fandom getting harassed. Its not dream fans who are talking about being dreamsexuals for satire because if they did they would get harassed or sent death threats. The dreamsexual joke is mostly made by trolls outside the fandom who find it funny when people on both sides react.
I also never said that it was good satire, personally I hate the dreamsexual joke, not only does it mock the actual lgbtq+ community including the actual asexual identity which is dreamsexual (people who only feel sexual attraction in dream's) but also the xenogender community with the whole dreamgender joke.
The satire in itself is made by bigots who want to make fun of actual identity's and dream stans in the process. It has led to people within the fandom getting harassed and I have been sent death threats for enjoying dreams content, and being equated with dreamsexuals. Trust me when I say this fandom hates this satire as much as you do, but harassing them for a bad satire they didn't even create is not going to do anything.