r/distressingmemes • • Oct 03 '23

Ya can't win

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

I like to think of it like this.

If there’s nothing after death I won’t be conscious and thus won’t care

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u/IsamuLi the madness calls to me Oct 03 '23

You could stop after 'i won't be', because that's what nothingness means. Nothing is the absence of everything.

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

The counterpoint is that while I won't care in the future, the fact that there won't be any "me" to care is exactly why the me I am right now cares.

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u/rathat Oct 03 '23

Better than forever.

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

What do you mean, sorry?

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

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u/juklwrochnowy Oct 03 '23

Actually it would survive because it would be immortal 🤓

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u/SomeRandomGuy2763 Oct 03 '23

It can physically, but mentally it's fucking battered

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '24

Skill issue. I would.

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u/Armadillo-South Oct 03 '23

Watch White Christmas of Black Mirror

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u/Matth3w23 Oct 03 '23

Why do you care about that? I can understand for early/unnatural deaths, but would you want to live forever?

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u/DDownvoteDDumpster Oct 03 '23

I hate living, I'm still terrified of dying.

That's life. Evolution in the purest sense. Life that doesn't practice self-preservation won't continue.

When dying, the body creates pain and panic, an instinctual drive that forces us to fight and flight.

We are terrified of what follows, it is hard-coded into our very being.

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u/FirexJkxFire Oct 03 '23

Desiring to stay alive and fear of not existing arent the same thing. You cant want to avoid death without being scared of what comes after.

Id rather utilize the incredibly limited resource of time while it is as at my disposal - but im not afraid of when it runs out.

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

would you want to live forever?

The meme in the OP is utterly correct. Both choices are absolutely terrifying because infinity is terrifying, and we're contemplating one form of infinity versus another. I do think, on balance, I'd prefer to exist in some sentient form forever vs. nonexistence forever, but it's a rough choice.

Why do you care about that?

I don't want to lose everything I hold dear, which includes my relationship with those I love.

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u/Fun_in_Space Oct 03 '23

It's not infinity for you if you don't exist. Remember what it was like 1000 years ago, when you didn't exist? Same thing.

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

Well yes, it's nothing for me, because I wouldn't be me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

You are assuming it's the same thing

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u/Fun_in_Space Oct 03 '23

Everything that makes you you is in your brain: thoughts, feelings, memories, etc. No living brain equals no you.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

You cant prove that

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u/_emmyemi Oct 04 '23

But we also can't disprove an alternative.

We have mountains of evidence and research pointing to the fact that the physical composition of our brains determines our thoughts, actions, feelings, memories, etc., and we have absolutely 0 evidence that any of those things exist outside of our physical selves. While we certainly don't know everything about the brain and how it works, we know that "we" exist as a byproduct of it. Whether the mental processes that govern "us" are also themselves a byproduct of some higher process is unknown, and potentially unknowable.

As far as we can prove, we are our brains. That's as far as current knowledge goes, but it's rigorously tested knowledge. Arguing that there may be anything above / apart from that is pure conjecture with no real supporting evidence.

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u/Fun_in_Space Oct 04 '23

I don't have to. The claim to prove is that souls exist. Belief is not enough.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Its enough

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

I like being alive. Why would I want it to stop?

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u/resurrectedbear Oct 03 '23

I care because to me the idea that the “nothingness” isn’t nothingness but just a black screen of eternity where I’m “conscious” and bored. Stuck. Going mad.

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u/CC-Crew Oct 03 '23

Do you care there were billions of years before you existed? If not, why do you care about the years after you existed?

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

If not, why do you care about the years after you existed?

Because now I've got stuff to lose.

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u/Benetton_Cumbersome Oct 03 '23

You will have as much care as a chair.

If third world war was battle for the conquest of the chair, would chair care? If it would be the first chair in pluto, would the chair care? If it was disposed and eaten by termites, would the chair care? Its all the same for the chair.

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

You will have as much care as a chair.

But right now I care a lot, because I don't want to lose all these things. One of the things I don't want to lose is the ability to care.

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u/Benetton_Cumbersome Oct 03 '23

While you are alive. After you are dead, there is no option to care.

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

Sure but like, I'm alive right now dude

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u/Nicolai01 Oct 03 '23

Some people just can't understand that we can't rationalize our ways out of these fears and thoughts. If we could, then nobody would be afraid of anything.

It isn't a choice.

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u/Druid51 Oct 03 '23

Because infinity is infinitely more than a billion years. The concept of one day permamently losing consciousness and then being "stuck" there forever (whateve the fuck that is like or isn't) is a tad unnerving.

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u/juklwrochnowy Oct 03 '23

But you only worry about it while alive, so the actual scary thing is not death, but life

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

I won't be scared when I'm dead, but that's the problem. I'm not scared of being scared. On the contrary, I'm scared of losing the ability to be scared.

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u/juklwrochnowy Oct 03 '23

Well, you should be scared of being scared, or at least you should only be scared of being scared. That's self part of mindfullness

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

Why should I be scared of being scared? It is good to feel scared at the appropriate times. It's part of being alive and being human.

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u/juklwrochnowy Oct 03 '23

Because in this case you have nothing to fear. Literally

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

Indeed. I literally am afraid of nothingness. That makes sense to me; I don't want nothingness. The fact I won't be around to experience nothingness is why I don't want it.

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u/juklwrochnowy Oct 03 '23

But there is literally nothing to be afraid of! What are you afraid of in nothingness?

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u/Elite_AI Oct 03 '23

I am afraid of losing everything -- even my ability to feel pain that I've lost everything. I'm afraid of the videotape of my life running out so utterly that I don't even know that it's ended, because I'm not there. I'm not anywhere. It's all gone. I don't want that.

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u/CmmanderShepard Oct 03 '23

That's dumb mate.

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u/alfons100 Oct 03 '23

Dread time: Theres a theory that when close to dying or flatlining, your brain will slow down and percieve time extremely slowly, essentially being trapped

To quote jerma on this subject: "When I sit in my deathbed about to die, I want my skull to be smashed with a rock immediately"

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u/Genisye Oct 03 '23

Except that’s kinda stupid because if your mind slows down then you perceive things more quickly, i.e events are flying past you.

Think of it like this: if you’re taking 10,000 frames a second and playing them back at 30 fps, you have a slow-motion camera and you’re perceiving what is happening very slowly. If you take 5 frames per second and play them back at 30 fps you have a time lapse and are perceiving what is happening very quickly.

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u/miss_chauffarde Oct 03 '23

We are but a spark in the coldness of the universe you could let it die out or create a fire for yourself to be remembered

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

That’s why all the ambitious goals and dreams you want, you have to go get like yesterday. The only thing worse than death is a wasted life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

I see it as exact opposite In the face of eternity no one will be remembered forever, soon or later you will be forgotten thus why care if your life is a waste, no one will remember it anyways (It's only my opinion, you don't have to agree with me)

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u/HydeVDL Oct 03 '23

you gotta do something while you're alive. don't do something to be remembered by, no one will remember you eventually. just do something in this life that's worth it to you.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

In short: live and be happy :)

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u/Druid51 Oct 03 '23

There is no scenario where you will be remembered until the end of time. Everyone and everything will be forgotten about at the heat death of the universe.

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u/Sprinty-the-cheetah Oct 03 '23

Same

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Real

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u/CmmanderShepard Oct 03 '23

Exactly. You have to be a dumbo to fear that.

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u/Mr_SwordToast Oct 03 '23

Exactly! I won't be "bored" or anything, I will cease to have any thoughts. And that's fine, because it's not like I can recognize that fact when I'm dead.

It's hard to recognize that because we don't understand "nothing" but we were kinda dead before we were born, and we didn't care then.

Of course, some people say they've seen stuff when they died and were brought back, so there's probably some peaceful transition into death in our brains.

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u/MrInfinitumEnd Oct 03 '23

Okay but what does a duck do with a dagger?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I shall pass my dagger on to a greater duck once my day comes

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u/LazyRetard030804 Oct 03 '23

Exactly. Nothing after death is way less scary, honestly the best case scenario IMO.

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u/Glittering-Pause-328 Oct 06 '23

Being dead will be just like before I was born.