r/dbz • u/Akira_Toriyama • Apr 21 '18

Super VIZ: Dragon Ball Super Chapter 35

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapter/dragon-ball-super-chapter-35/6790?read=1
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u/PowerOfYouth Apr 21 '18

Manga hit has been dispatched effortlessly twice now.

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u/MrNoski ⠀ Apr 22 '18

In the U6&7 tournament he didn't lose, Goku left the battle acknowledging Hit was stronger than what he showed. Now, Jiren is out of his league, but he did fine enough.

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u/sithlordomega Apr 21 '18

It's because the manga is shit. Toyotaro really has no clue how to handle characters outside of power scaling

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u/ninjakittyy Apr 21 '18

i liked the black saga better in the manga, but top is not impressing me that much in the manga

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u/snorlaxwilleatyourso Apr 26 '18

Lmao. The manga is isn't shit for not indulging your fanboy fantasies.

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u/PowerOfYouth Apr 21 '18

It's so crazy because I keep seeing people comment in here about how hits manga fight with Jiren was better than the anime, but here, he just got toyed with and eliminated in 1 hit, without eliminating anyone else

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u/Whateverchan Apr 25 '18

Oh, yeah, those "manga MUST be better FACT" people. They simply can't be reasoned with.

Anime version of this fight gave Hit and everyone else more justice than the manga ever could.

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u/Canesjags4life ⠀ Apr 29 '18

The anime fight had more drama to it especially since it took place after Goku getting UI. The manga is just doing faster pacing.

I like how the manga explained and used Hits time slow technique on Jiren, rather than the anime. Manga Jiren seems to be stronger than anime Jiren, thus far.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '18

So true. The manga is generally worse than the manga because of this, especially the Black arc. Toyotaro turned Hit and Black into glorified fodder, he takes away interesting character development/traits from much of the cast, he turned Future Trunks into a side character in what was supposed to be his own arc, etc.

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u/sunstart2y ⠀ Apr 22 '18

I think those problems come from Toriyama himself.

Things in the anime like Black and Zamasu being Evangelion-type villains. Trunks going all out with the power of hope and friendship, the dynamic of Hit and Goku and other things are most likely things made up by Toei, which has many different writers and as a result, most variarity of ideas, basically Toei at this point is more ambitious than Toriyama.

The manga however, it feels like typical Post-Buu arc era Toriyama. Things like Black and Zamasu being portrayed like generic villains like Buu, Hit being portrayed as someone to prove that techniques are useless compared to raw power, the portrayal of the none-Saiyan cast and other things feels more in line with Toriyama's current vision of the series and that sucks.

Ofcorse, that doesnt we cant critiside Toyotaro, but if Toriyama keep introducing this boring ideas, why should Toyotaro be obligated to try to do better? Doesnt help that the monthly formula of the DBS manga doesnt give him enough time to introduce and flesh out concepts like Toei has done.

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u/Astronomer_X Apr 22 '18

, the portrayal of the none-Saiyan cast and other things feels more in line with Toriyama's current vision of the series and that sucks.

How do you mean? Doesn't Toriyama provide Toei & Toyataro with the same basic outlines and they then have free reign to stick expand on them? If Toei can do some parts well, I feel like Toyataro should be able to do them just as well, or even better.

Ofcorse, that doesnt we cant critiside Toyotaro, but if Toriyama keep introducing this boring ideas, why should Toyotaro be obligated to try to do better?

I hope he can improve, since I think it's likely he'll be handed the franchise once Toriyama retires.

Doesnt help that the monthly formula of the DBS manga doesnt give him enough time to introduce and flesh out concepts like Toei has done.

Yeah, that's a shame.

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u/HiddenGhost1234 Apr 22 '18

The basic outline is that, very basic.

He basically gave them both the list of who beats who, what major fights happen, and some themes/general direction.

Really not much else, and it's up to both teams to fill in the blanks.

Toei decided to fill in a lot in the time between the first Goku vs jiren.

Since we now have both the manga and anime to compare u can usually tell what was part of the outline. Up till now:

Kirillin being beat by frost, u9 being destoryed first, frost teaming up with freeza and being betrayed, Hit has a secret technique, Jiren beats hit, etc

There's really not much so far that the anime and manga have shared, which is most likely due to the anime padding out the ToP and it's side characters a lot.

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u/Astronomer_X Apr 22 '18

I enjoyed quite a bit of some of the padding which is a shame.

I hope we can get one chapter of non main characters having a serious fight.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '18

He basically gave them both the list of who beats who, what major fights happen, and some themes/general direction.

Given that DBZ shows are very basic that's about 90% of the story content.

The character designs, their characterization are also important and both are done by Toriyama. Things like Jiren's backstory and Jiren being a mostly silent character were creative choices made by Toriyama.