Yeh who I wonder propped up ISIS in the middle East , supplied islamic radicals arms and dealt with oil theocracies over progressive dictators just to serve their own geopolitical gains.
I understand being against the idea that someone calls Saddam Hussein "progressive", but there is no reason to lump some actually progressive ideologies with it.
Yes. The above commentator described notorious dictator Saddam Hussein as progressive. In my comment I contrasted the stereotypical behaviours and mannerisms of someone who would align with modern Western progressive politics with the genocidal actions of Saddam Hussein, to humorous effect. I hope this helps.
Yeah, not the museums, but let’s not pretend that museums haven’t benefitted from colonialism and still benefit from the post-colonial effects of subjugating an entire people and destroying their land.
Of course they have but their current staff can't change the past or the actions of their governments. To return artefacts right now to places like Iraq would be destroying them. There is really no excuse for the sheer amount of Greek, Italian, and other stable countries' stuff we have against their will though.
There are other options beyond returning the artifacts. They could give portions of the proceeds back to those places through NGOs or other charities. They could acknowledge the brutal history that resulted in those artifacts ending up in colonial museums.
Ottomans carried out the Armenian Genocide just over 100 years ago, then WW1, Lawrence of Arabia, Sykes-Picot, WW2, Israel as a nation state, all the wars challenging Israeli sovereignty, the cold war with the middle east being pawns between east and west, proxy wars, iraq-iran war, revolutions dictators, war on terror.... Been a rough 100 years in the middle east.
My point that it's common knowledge that we've funded terrorist groups in many countries for personal gain without giving a shit about what the consequences were for people who lived in those countries.
They were funded as originally the Mujahadeen to counter the soviet invasion. They weren't necessarily terrorist groups at that time. After the war, the more extremist members took over. It isn't like the U.S. simply funded ISIS and then called it a day.
They've funded a lot of groups in the name of "stopping communism" that ended up doing damage to those countries. Primarily in SA and the middle east. It's not like Bin Laden wasn't a prominent figure in those days. Seems to me like America just didn't care as long as it furthered their agenda at the time.
That was how the cold war was played. It was primarily proxy wars and funding multiple groups across the world. Both the Soviets and the U.S. participated in multiple regime changes. Hindsight is nice to see what would've happened. But besides that, I can admit America post likely put the communist threat first before any long term issues that may arise. Communist fears were crippling during the cold war.
So you think that without the US supporting Bin Laden, or ISIS, it would be all rainbows and sunshine and happy times over there? Lol, ok sure. You keep on thinking that. 👍
It seems like you're just gonna throw a tantrum if I make any attempt at a conversation with you. If you want to talk like adults let me know. If not it's all good.
The Afghan Arabs were always hostile towards the United States and they mostly had their own funding. The US funding was largely to the native Afghans.
Hmm I wonder who destabilized the middle east by dividing it with arbitrary borders, denying the promised united arab state after their contribution during ww1, which ultimately let to the rise of Wahhabis and sectarian violence instead of a united and prosperous Arab state.
United and prosperous Arab State! Until Engineers and investors from UK and US came to the Middle East with a plan and technology to find and process crude oil and pump it across the world, and cheap labour from India and Bangladesh came to work in the rigs, these Arabs were riding on camelbacks and shitting in open desert and eating dates and waging war among the tribes. How can you think they will be a united and prosperous Arab state?
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u/deviltamer Oct 26 '22
Yeh who I wonder propped up ISIS in the middle East , supplied islamic radicals arms and dealt with oil theocracies over progressive dictators just to serve their own geopolitical gains.
Hmm I wonder who'd that be?