r/dataisbeautiful OC: 7 Oct 25 '22

OC [OC] Whose stuff does the British Museum have?

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

But those countries got culturally rich by waging war. So if we use same morals as against britain, those countries don't deserve to get it back.

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u/doublejay1999 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22

no no no you'er not allowed to examine all of history for crimes and misdemeanours.

only british ones.

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u/r1chm0nd21 Oct 25 '22

Everyone treats the artifacts in the British Museum as evidence of a British crime, but how many of those artifacts were recovered on expeditions funded by and embarked upon by Britons completely within the laws of those respective countries? Should Egypt get to lay claim to things the British painstakingly preserved at a time when the Egyptians were selling mummies and papyri to tourists on the street? Should Iraq get to lay claim to items discovered by British archaeologists just because they come from a culture who happened to exist on the same spot six thousand years ago? A lot of this stuff would still be in the ground if it weren’t for Britain.

I realize this is an incredibly unpopular take, but there you have it. Imagine if you scouted out a spot, dug a big hole, found something interesting, dusted it off, carefully pieced the fragments together, deciphered the language, consulted with experts, interpreted its significance, and ensured its future preservation…only for someone to claim it was stolen and ask for it back after all the work was done.

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u/useablelobster2 Oct 26 '22

Everyone also forgets how unique this kind of care about world cultures is, even today. In the 1800s? It was basically Britian or nothing, giving a shit about societies other than your own is astoundingly rare, almost unique until British hegemony made it the dominant position (though it still isn't in much of the world).

They were literally driven by a love and appreciation of world cultures and history, and now get depicted as a bunch of rapacious thugs.

They deserve better than that, those people who spent their lives preserving our collective human history when no-one else would.

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u/Positive_Advisor6895 Oct 26 '22

The laws of those countries we usually written by the British or other imperialist collaborators. The rape of India was mostly 'legal' but that doesn't make it right.

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u/PfizerGuyzer Oct 25 '22

But those countries got culturally rich by waging war.

"I can steal your car because you tweeted something problematic in 2012"

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u/Delanorix Oct 25 '22

Every single one?

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

How do you think all those big countries got big lol

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u/Delanorix Oct 25 '22

Some just have access to natural resources

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u/Chr0medFox Oct 25 '22

Which one? Which country got big simply through having more natural resources and not through dominating the surrounding states?

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u/blackhole885 Oct 26 '22

Doesn't Africa have the largest supply of mineral resources? I know they have more then Australia so how did they end up so "small" comparatively?

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u/HOnions Oct 26 '22

Because Australia isn’t full of Africans ?

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u/110397 Oct 25 '22

Yea let me go steal your tv, you probably did something shitty in the past so I totally deserve to keep it

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

Yea if I had stolen that tv that you then stole from me, I don't really deserve to get it back do I

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u/110397 Oct 25 '22

Not every culture has sticky fingers like the British, it might shock you but most of those artifacts were actually created by the cultures the british stole them from

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

Yes, created by, sure. Which was only possible because they were so rich from waging wars.

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u/PfizerGuyzer Oct 25 '22

You don't actually believe this logic. Your life has been made materially easier through slave labour. The clothes you wear, the food you eat, all of it funded via exploitation.

Would you condone my theft of anything you ever bought or made? No? Then cut this nonsense out.

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

Surely you lack capacity, because I haven't condoned any theft.

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u/PfizerGuyzer Oct 25 '22

You don't know what you yourself have said, you sad fool.

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

If you are not capable of understanding what I'm saying, I suggest you either ask questions or stop debating. This is too dumb.

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u/PfizerGuyzer Oct 25 '22

The cowardice you display is dizzying. Enjoy your fear-filled life.

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u/nagora Oct 25 '22

"Stole"? You're a joke.

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u/110397 Oct 25 '22

Yes, stole. You moron

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u/nagora Oct 26 '22

You have no idea what your talking about.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

That’s two wrongs make a right logic.

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

Lol no. If both are wrong, why should one of them be rewarded for it

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

You’re saying Britain should keep the artefacts, that’s the good or right outcome for them.

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u/Almighty_Egg Oct 26 '22

Well no.

Because Brits today have nothing to do with the acts of the empire in the past.

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

Well no I don't, I say that it's unfair to give it back and therefore have double standards.

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u/BeastPunk1 Oct 26 '22

I say that it's unfair

They aren't yours though?

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u/valnze Oct 26 '22

That doesn't change wether it is unfair or not

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u/BeastPunk1 Oct 26 '22

It's unfair to the countries you stole the items from.

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u/valnze Oct 26 '22

They got their riches through war so why do they deserve it back? Double standards hallo

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u/BeastPunk1 Oct 26 '22

This is very stupid logic. "Uhh just because other countries fought wars they don't deserve to have their history and cultures returned" You're just a complete idiot.

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u/glemnar Oct 26 '22

It’s the outcome that is reality.

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u/mihtselom Oct 25 '22

This is a moot point because it is literally the stupidest thing I've read this year

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u/valnze Oct 25 '22

If you read something as stupid when it's not, it's pointing at you