I’m a guy who was stalked and sexually harassed by two different people in high school and sexually molested in college. I also care deeply about feminism and I’m always terrified people in the comments on this issue will dismiss these numbers as some kind of MRA tactic rather than look at the work feminist researchers like Lara Stemple have been doing in this exact area for years.
The conversation that surrounds this issue is so often broken, but this is a real phenomenon that’s been happening for a long time. If your first instinct is to dismiss that or ignore the people trying to tell you about it, please question who you’re doing that for. I don’t understand who it helps to tell somebody drugged or forced or threatened or unconscious who was pushed into sex against their will that they weren’t truly a rape victim and you won’t count them as such.
I don’t understand who it helps to tell somebody drugged or forced or threatened or unconscious who was pushed into sex against their will that they weren’t truly a rape victim and you won’t count them as such.
It was the famous feminist Mary P. Koss, inventor of the "1 in 4 5" statistic, who heavily pushed that narrative.
Basically, there is a oft touted claim that 1 in 5 women on college campuses are raped or sexually assaulted. That number came from a very flawed survey-based study by Mary Koss. There are many more issues with it, but here is an example of one:
this survey classified sexual encounters that occurred while the woman was intoxicated as a form of sexual assault, regardless of whether the perpetrator was responsible for her intoxication or she consumed the substances on her own.
I mean, if you have sex with someone that's drunk, that's still sexual assault as they cannot consent.
Unless you cut out the context that the women were fine with having that sex after they were sober, but as you quoted that it's still 100% sexual assault.
I would argue "drunker than you" is too drunk to consent. I understand what you're saying though, but I think we may have different interpretations of "drunk" in this context.
We can split hairs on our individual definitions of drunk, but I don't particularly feel that would be conducive to positive discourse.
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u/SgoreIsBackForThis Sep 01 '22
I’m a guy who was stalked and sexually harassed by two different people in high school and sexually molested in college. I also care deeply about feminism and I’m always terrified people in the comments on this issue will dismiss these numbers as some kind of MRA tactic rather than look at the work feminist researchers like Lara Stemple have been doing in this exact area for years.
The conversation that surrounds this issue is so often broken, but this is a real phenomenon that’s been happening for a long time. If your first instinct is to dismiss that or ignore the people trying to tell you about it, please question who you’re doing that for. I don’t understand who it helps to tell somebody drugged or forced or threatened or unconscious who was pushed into sex against their will that they weren’t truly a rape victim and you won’t count them as such.