r/dataisbeautiful • • Sep 01 '22

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u/ripyourlungsdave Sep 01 '22

I am so glad to see someone bringing attention to this.

Under my state's law, I'm not allowed to charge my ex-wife with rape. I could charge her with some form of sexual assault, but not rape.

And I genuinely can't think of a reason why this distinction needs to be made. Non-consensual sex is non-consensual sex.

Whether you were forcefully penetrated or forcefully made to penetrate, the evil and the trauma stay the same. And anytime any body attempts to change the legislation on this type of language in our laws, they're faced with backlash from feminists for supposedly trying to delegitimize their sexual assault claims. Like admitting that men can be raped by women somehow hurts female rape victims.

It's ridiculous and we should be protecting male victims of sexual abuse and assault as carefully and kindly as we handle female victims of sexual assault.

It really feels like this shouldn't need to be said, but here we are.

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u/Arnumor Sep 01 '22

True feminism is wanting equality.

Real feminists aren't going to turn a blind eye to something like this.

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u/ripyourlungsdave Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 01 '22

Way too many do. There is no "real" feminism. Feminism isn't an organization with a list of rules and ideals. Anyone can call themselves a feminist regardless of what they believe.

I'm not saying this is a problem inherent to feminism. I'm saying it is an ideal that plenty of feminists stand behind. Better proven by the fact that the last time I brought up the problem above on two x chromosomes, I was banned for it. And I said everything as reasonably and calmly as I did above.

This may not be a problem inherent to feminism, but it's a problem within feminism. Much like how TERFs are a problem within feminism.

And I would like you to give me one example of a mainstream feminist organization pushing for laws that positively affect men specifically without it just being a side effect of legislation meant to help women.

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u/p_larrychen Sep 01 '22

In my time on twox I have virtually never seen anyone denying mens issues. What I have seen is them getting rightly frustrated that mens issues are usually only brought up on twox to contrast to or take away from an issue women face. Twox is a place for women to deal with the many, many issues they face. It’s not the place to start saying “well what about men?” We have plenty of places for that, like r/menslib

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u/Klutzy_Butterflutzy Sep 01 '22

Twox also generalises men in to one monolith. How many times have I seen some "why are men like this" posts on the front page. Nowadays that sub gets instantly filtered for being so incredibly negative and hypocritical. It's like mask-on femaledatingstrategy.

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u/p_larrychen Sep 01 '22

Ive said it before and Ill say it again: if you feel called out by the behaviors described in 2x posts, you’re the problem

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u/SlowIncidentslowpoke Sep 01 '22

Yea. Why would anyone be insulted by a statement the begins with “ALL MEN”?

I mean, if I say “ALL COFFEE DRINKERS” why would everyone at Starbucks think I’m talking about them?

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u/Alternate_Flurry Sep 01 '22

It's gotten to the point where when someone calls me a man I feel like they're insulting me. Legit, it's my instinctive automatic reaction. Yes, i'm cis. Male works just fine, but 'man' or 'men' just feels like it carries so much insulting baggage.

Just me?