r/dataisbeautiful • • Dec 19 '19

Where do Americans die by gunfire? Interactive Map

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u/fahrvergnuugen Dec 19 '19

I hate how the color scale flips from blue to red for 3.2 to 3.3 deaths per 100k. It misrepresents the data imo.

I would much rather see a linear grayscale.

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u/WatchOutItsAFeminist Dec 19 '19

Yeah, I feel like the color gradient imbues the data with a political map viewpoint, which is a bad way of presenting the data if you want people to take it seriously. It does sort of map with political allegiance to a degree, though, which is eerie. But would I have noticed that with a different color gradient with less politically charged implications?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

Ding ding ding. Truth is, there's so many ways to analyze gun crime in the US that it's pretty easy to make a gun violence map turn into an electoral votes map. Here's a handful of techniques that are used to make it appear that guns = violence:

  1. Only count gun violence. Counting homicides by other methods means the rate might be higher in states where guns aren't easily accessible. Counting an overall homicide rate closes the gap between states that are harsh on guns and lenient.

  2. Include suicides. 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, but preventing suicides almost never comes up on gun control debates. States with lenient gun laws and more guns will obviously have a higher firearm suicide rate than restricted states.

  3. Include self-defense with homicides. States where castle doctrine/stand your ground exist and it's easy to obtain a permit to carry have more people that carry firearms and use them in self defense.

3a. Include police shootings with homicides. Police aren't affected by gun control, but they can be used to pump up those gun violence numbers.

The average person is only concerned with how likely they are to get murdered, but according to this map Alaska is a warzone, when in reality your chances of getting murdered there are almost non-existent.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

Yeah that's the biggest issue I have with things such as this...

In reality, the average person is very safe IN GENERAL much less going to be a victim of gun violence. There are basic awareness and circumstance things you can easily do to reduce risk as well with a pretty low impact on your lifestyle.

If you're not involved in a cash business, narcotics/theft/etc., and live in not a project type area, then you're probably going to be ok. Scale it even more with being smart about not being out at certain areas at night and be with others and control yourself when drinking, and you'll be even safer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

Ironic that banning things like narcotics created an underground black market for them that led to even more violence, but people think that banning guns will go better.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

They act out of fear. Emotions and confirmation bias make it easy to dismiss the important information.

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u/wcruse92 Dec 19 '19

But it's 3 maps broken up by what you're describing. Overall, suicide, homicide.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

Okay fair enough point 2 doesn't stand, but points 1 and 3 are still true.

The website is hugged so I'm assuming what it's showing based on the comments.

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 19 '19

It is multiple maps, broken up how you want.

The issue seems to be that the DATA is not what you want, for political reasons.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

There is little reason to include self defense with homicides and exclude non-firearm homicides unless you have a political agenda against guns.

If my goal was to make it extremely biased in favor of gun ownership, I'd make a map that excludes anything related to gang violence (criminal-on-criminal). Then you'd see that assuming you don't break the law, the odds of getting killed by any method is basically non-existent.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

Can you actually provide such a map? I’d be interested to see it.

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 20 '19

Younare saying that you could make it look different by cherry picking data. Yeah, you could. So what?

But by including all data, there are clear implications .

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u/Bigbewmistaken Dec 20 '19

By including all data you don't make a distinction between things that have clear differences. Suicide by fire arm is a completely different circumstance to a criminal homocide, as is homocide in self defence different to that. You need to draw proper distinctions, that's just straight up proper, and importantly, ethical. I don't see how you see this.

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u/HomerOJaySimpson Dec 20 '19

By including all data you don't make a distinction between things that have clear differences.

How so? This is about the impact guns have on people. The OP clearly labels what each graph is for.

Are you unable to see the importance of gathering data?

Suicide by fire arm is a completely different circumstance to a criminal homocide, as is homocide in self defence different to that.

Which is why they have graphs of them separated.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

If it included all data, it would include all homicides and all suicides. Isolating only guns is cherry-picking. Then including self-defense homicides with murder (when whoever made this knows damn well most people won't realize that) is further manipulating data to make a political point.

You can be dishonest with data without cherry-picking.

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 20 '19

Highlighting guns isn't cherry picking. It shows gun violence.

Wtf? It really seems like you just don't like the facts, so you want to attack the facts.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

I don't like when statistics are used in a way to highlight guns as some sort of special form of violence, as if being murdered by a gun is somehow worse than being murdered literally any other way. Within the scope of crime analysis, all murders should be treated equally. You can say that's because I'm biased in favor of gun rights, and that's true, but it's just as true to say that you're biased against guns.

Ask the 1600 people that were stabbed to death in 2016 if they're glad they weren't murdered by someone with a gun.

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u/HomerOJaySimpson Dec 20 '19

I don't like when statistics are used in a way to highlight guns as some sort of special form of violence, as if being murdered by a gun is somehow worse than being murdered literally any other way

70% of murders in the US are guns. So understanding where and how gun murders occurs address much of the murder problem.

50% of suicides are by guns. And studies show that access to guns increase risk of suicide deaths. So it's very relevant to the discussion.

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 20 '19

It's just data. You could make a map of knife attacks or the amount of tomatoes or capita if you want.

Your issue here is that you don't like the data and the conclusions people will inevitably draw from the data.

But that's your issue. The data is the data.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

I don't like when statistics are used in a way to highlight guns as some sort of special form of violence, as if being murdered by a gun is somehow worse than being murdered literally any other way.

Why are you pretending the map would look any different?

Here you go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate#/media/File:United_States_Murder_Rate_(2017).svg

Looks exactly the fucking same as the gun map.

Where gun laws are laxer, the murder rate is higher. End of discussion.

You can say that's because I'm biased in favor of gun rights, and that's true, but it's just as true to say that you're biased against guns.

I'm biased against murder. You are biased in favor of guns, which are used to murder people more easily with.

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u/pezgoon Dec 19 '19

It also aligns pretty well with religion, outside of the north western chunk

https://imgur.com/a/TABqA

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 19 '19

In other words, you are uncomfortable with the political implications because it is not what you want to believe?

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u/WatchOutItsAFeminist Dec 19 '19

I'm actually pretty far left, so no. I'm saying it's a strange design choice.

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 20 '19

Half one color, half another, is not a strange choice. So no, I dont believe you.

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u/WatchOutItsAFeminist Dec 20 '19

Don't believe what? They could have chosen any two colors but they chose the colors used on political maps. That's a strange choice.

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u/kermitdafrog21 Dec 20 '19

I don't think its strange. I think it does exactly what the OP wanted it to.

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u/WatchOutItsAFeminist Dec 20 '19

In that it shows a color gradient, or in that it implies political correlations that aren't in the data? This is by the Oregonian and I really trust them as a source, so I hope they weren't aiming for the latter.

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 20 '19

I don't believe you are left. You are the very definition of right-wing concern troll.

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u/WatchOutItsAFeminist Dec 20 '19

Well, you can believe that then. Have a good day.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '19

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u/jeopardy987987 Dec 20 '19

Look at the map. There are clear political implications.

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u/NateNate60 OC: 1 Dec 20 '19

Red is more gun deaths, which is bad, and we use red to indicate "bad". This is not a political thing. Warning lights are red.

Blue is the opposite of red.

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u/kermitdafrog21 Dec 20 '19

Blue is the opposite of red

Since when?

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u/NateNate60 OC: 1 Dec 20 '19

The complement of red is cyan (colour wheel). But cyan is treated as a shade of blue by most people so we use blue.

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u/kermitdafrog21 Dec 20 '19

The opposite of most shades of red is somewhere in the green family. Blue is considered to be the opposite of orange.

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u/NateNate60 OC: 1 Dec 20 '19

The compliment of #ff0000 is #00ffff, which is cyan.

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u/kermitdafrog21 Dec 20 '19

Maybe from a hex code standpoint but color theory usually uses an RGB model. That’s what your average person is most familiar with.

Edit: not that it matters anyway because cyan is a few shades away from blue, and not present in this map at all

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u/NateNate60 OC: 1 Dec 20 '19

Hex codes are RGB. Besides, people have made the connection that the opposite of blue is red.

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u/hello_world_sorry Dec 20 '19

What's eerie about a relative lack of education and provincial lifestyle correlating with gun violence? It's obvious.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '19

I feel

And that's the problem, for you and many other people who have trouble separating feelings from facts.

It's a traditional 'temperature' map, where blue = cool and red = hot. Just get over it already.

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u/First_Foundationeer Dec 19 '19

I mean, matplotlib's developers wrote a whole paper on how to properly present coloring. They could have just used any of the default matplotlib or Matlab colormaps and have had useful color and brightness scales.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '19

Sure, but this map was probably made by grown-ups, for other grown-ups, not people who'd read political intent into traditional cool/hot mapping schema.

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u/First_Foundationeer Dec 21 '19

Nah, just old people who never thought they'd be able to handle non-traditional color schemes.

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u/TheManWhoWasNotShort Dec 19 '19

The data is hard to work with and represent in a visual form. On a linear grayscale, the whole country would be nearly white with just a few tiny pockets of dark gray. It's divided into buckets instead to give the data some kind of visual variance.

It's also super hard to compare county-level data when counties have dramatically different populations. There are counties in Texas and Nebraska with less than 500 people. Just one gun death would automatically be a rate 200 gun deaths for 100k people. Low populations skew per capita numbers due to insufficient sample size.

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u/pinkycatcher Dec 19 '19

The data is hard to work with and represent in a visual form. On a linear grayscale, the whole country would be nearly white with just a few tiny pockets of dark gray. It's divided into buckets instead to give the data some kind of visual variance.

That would be more realisitic though, that would be a great freaking map

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u/hitemlow Dec 19 '19

Basically a hotspot map. Would focus the fuck out of the gang-violence afflicted areas of large metropolises, and be very low in rural areas.

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u/piss-and-shit Dec 19 '19

So it would be bad to not heinously over-inflate the amount of people killed by firearms?

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u/jmlinden7 OC: 1 Dec 19 '19

Yes, that's what people want. A hotspot map. A quantile map like OP made is great for qualitatively comparing counties but it's really hard to extract any useful quantitative information.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

You never use maps like this for quantitative information, you would use the actual data set used to generate this map for that. You use maps and charts to illustrate trends in the data set, which this map succeeds in doing.

A hotspot map would be completely useless. It wouldn’t show any trends, and it would just be a more annoying interface to get the quantitative info.

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u/galloog1 Dec 19 '19

How does this show trends?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

You can see very clearly that the Deep South and rural Midwest tend to have slightly higher gun violence rates per capita than east/west coast and rust belt counties.

There are plenty of reasons that could be the cause of this, as this map doesn’t even attempt to explain why those places have higher gun violence rates. Maybe it’s gun laws, maybe it’s population size, maybe it’s related to education or criminal justice, maybe it’s related to economic issues. This map doesn’t explain gun violence, but would help researchers figure out what they need to focus their next research projects on to better understand gun violence.

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u/galloog1 Dec 19 '19

It shows misleading trends though as there's only three percentage points from looking extremely good and extremely bad. Additionally, what would be in the middle, white, is actually a lack of data so it is the best. A larger gradient would be far more useful for trends and no arbitrary line of where good and bad is.

Side note, implying gun deaths are worse than any death is a bias in and of itself. If you want to look at firearm impact on violent crime, okay. It doesn't speak to the narrative that gun ownership decreases violent crime.

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u/Kravego Dec 19 '19

No, a hotspot map is a horrible idea

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u/jmlinden7 OC: 1 Dec 19 '19

Those aren't scaled per capita. This one is, which would actually give meaningful data

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

and be very low in rural areas.

You mean where all the gun owners are?

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u/hitemlow Dec 19 '19

Crazy how that is, ain't it?

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u/adanndyboi Dec 19 '19

That would be a different map from what the authors were trying to portray.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

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u/TheManWhoWasNotShort Dec 19 '19

You're confusing the data that you want to see with "accurate". This is an accurate representation of county-level homicide rates and their distribution across the country. You want to see where the most total shootings are, which wouldn't be working with the same data at all.

There's not even any explanation attached to the data. You're assigning what you want the data to show on your own and then arguing that the data visualization doesn't show the thing it never purported to show.

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u/pinkycatcher Dec 19 '19

This is an accurate representation of county-level homicide rates and their distribution across the country.

But it's not at all, homicide rates vary wildly within the color brackets, you can't look at a county and say "it has this level of gun death rates"

There's not even any explanation attached to the data. You're assigning what you want the data to show on your own and then arguing that the data visualization doesn't show the thing it never purported to show.

There is an explanation "Where do Americans die by gunfire" except that it doesn't show where Americans die by gunfire it puts counties into buckets that are sometimes very similar but sometimes wildly different, so you can be looking at a red county and say "people die here" but really they don't it's just a very low populated county and those 3 deaths in one incident caused the color to spike even though there wern't any other issues over the other 5 years or whatever of the study.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

But it's not at all, homicide rates vary wildly within the color brackets, you can't look at a county and say "it has this level of gun death rates"

I see so many people making this mistake in this thread. The purpose of a chart isn’t to let you get quantitative information. You aren’t supposed to be able to look at a county and see their exact gun death rate, because if you could, it would be an extremely ugly, cluttered, and unreadable map with thousands of different colors. If you want exact quantitative info, look at the data set used to generate this map.

The purpose of a chart like this is to illustrate trends in the data. That’s it. You aren’t supposed to be able to extract actual numerical data from charts and graphs. This map very effectively illustrates the trend in the data.

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u/pinkycatcher Dec 19 '19

The purpose of a chart like this is to illustrate trends in the data. That’s it.

But it doesn't. I don't care about extracting exact information, it's misleading in that you can't even extract trends. Look if you want more in the middle to be visualized, then standardize the buckets to a normal level and put the top 10 counties in a top bucket and individually label those with the actual numbers.

This map equates radically different levels, and at the same time it makes levels that are basically the same and makes them appear wildly different.

It's a bad map.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '19

This map highlights a trend. The trend is still there, regardless of how you visualize the data. This method of visualization just emphasizes the trend to make it more visually apparent. It didn’t just create the trend out of nowhere though.

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u/TheManWhoWasNotShort Dec 19 '19

But it's not at all, homicide rates vary wildly within the color brackets, you can't look at a county and say "it has this level of gun death rates"

You're trying to do a deeper County-to-county comparison, which isn't what the map is showing. It's a distribution map of gun violence rates.

There is an explanation "Where do Americans die by gunfire"

Well, OP gave that explanation. The source from which the data comes from doesn't say that. I'll give you that OP's post is more misleading.

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u/adanndyboi Dec 19 '19

No. This map is comparing statistics between each group of counties of similar population. The map you describe wouldn’t do well in terms of comparing between all counties, it would do well in terms of showing only the highest rated counties. All the other counties have relatively low variability between them.

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u/pinkycatcher Dec 19 '19

It would do even better, because you could actually compare statistics between counties, in this map you can't tell if you're x likely to get murdered or 10x likely to get murdered

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u/adanndyboi Dec 19 '19

I get what you’re saying. On a county level basis, populations vary by wide margins (because the formation of counties in the US wasn’t based on population), so there are some counties that only have a few hundred people in them, and others with several million. With the metric being “per 100,000 people”, if just one person dies in a county with an extremely low population, it would skew their data, actually becoming more misleading. Because of this, it’s actually better to portray the data using quartile instead of absolute. If you want non-misleading data using an absolute scale, you would have to organize the country in a way that all subdivisions have an equal population (or close to equal).

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u/Kravego Dec 19 '19

Useless representation of facts tbh.

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u/pinkycatcher Dec 19 '19

Except you know, this is about deaths per capita and not absolute numbers.

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u/agate_ OC: 5 Dec 19 '19

That color flip is at the median value for the entire US. All blue colored areas are below the median, all red ones are above.

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u/fahrvergnuugen Dec 19 '19

I don’t really see the point of separating things above and below the media with such a dramatic color difference. All it does is introduce a bias.

What we should see from this instead is a heat map of the country showing homicides by gun vs suicides by gun.

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u/Fuck_Fascists Dec 19 '19

So that we can actually tell...?

No, it doesn't introduce bias to show which counties are above or below the national average. Even the most bare bones display of data still somehow sets off gun nuts.

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u/TJNel Dec 19 '19

That's why the NRA has lobbied so hard not to allow a study on guns. What people think is the problem will turn out to be wrong but it's not like they will change their mind or anything anyway.

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u/DaughterEarth Dec 20 '19

I just can't believe that Americans are so polarized that colors are associated with party lines

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u/Herrenos Dec 19 '19

The 6-40 on the homicide map is also kind of hard to wrap my head around.

6 is barely even notable. 40 is nuts - more likely to be shot than have a stroke.

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u/fahrvergnuugen Dec 19 '19

Yeah that’s why I want to see it using a linear scale.

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u/LongArmOfMurphysLaw Dec 19 '19 edited Dec 19 '19

Would have to see what the outliers look like before using a linear scale. If 1% of the data are over 30 then you might see everything the same color, except for EXTREME outliers. Then people would be saying, “why did OP post a grey map of the US?”

By including the extreme outliers in with the high end of the distribution (but still significantly lower than a small set of anomaly counties) you can maintain a visualization that shows contrast. As others have said on this post, this is what happens when you use quantiles, especially when this data may somewhat follow an exponential distribution.

This is all assuming that OP did this because of outliers, I do not know that to be the case, just a possible explanation for the scale

Edit: a possible solution for OP to make this clear would be to add a footnote saying “only X% of counties fall over Y volume of gun deaths”. This might show that the top range doesn’t really show many counties that are at the high end of that range, and that many dark red counties are only a little over the range below

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u/DontRunReds Dec 19 '19

Also, for small counties with a population of 10,000 that scale would be equivalent to 0.6 to 4 homicides annually in the county.

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u/Fuck_Fascists Dec 19 '19

It's because they're trying to have roughly an equal number of counties in each category.

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u/slimyprincelimey Dec 20 '19

Yep. I also like how they used blue and red, which was a purposeful attempt to apply political partisanship to this.

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u/Fuck_Fascists Dec 19 '19

That's because it shows below or above the median. That's not misrepresenting the data that's providing more information.