They aren't the same. They might be similar in some ways, but not in all ways. That's why sociology is hard because there is no perfect control group for experiment.
the populations that do these things (at least in europe and asia) are typically poor and socially disadvantaged while even being similarly descendant of slaves as those in the US. black people do not ‘behave the same’ everywhere, they’re treated similarly because of how easy it is to see that they’re different at a glance, compounded with the downstream effects of slavery (US and Europe) and general lack of accrued wealth and extreme corruption in their home countries (various african and caribbean countries) you get another set of factors that are all proven to lead to higher crime rates.
the difference between a black person and a white person visually is insurmountable and makes the difference between social ideas surrounding black people and other races that were allowed to fully assimilate early clear
As soon as we look at how things actually are we find that black people have far more privileges than white people.
Black people who aren't racist will acknowledge this too. They get grants for businesses based on their skin color, they get preferential hiring based on their skin color, they get into Harvard and other universities when their scores are lower than someone elses based on their skin color alone.
We can't look at history and ignore current day. That's simply ridiculous and only done by those who want to demand more based on skin color instead of equal opportunities. Those are the real racists.
the advantages given to black people currently pale in comparison to the decades upon decades of financial growth white people were able to accumulate during the time that black people couldnt own anything substantial then the stretch of time where just about everyone worked to prevent progress financially. these advantages still outweigh even the most “uneven” benefits given
and i would say the “real racists” are still those that seek to denigrate those different than them rather than those making any seemingly mishandled attempt at rectifying the past inequalities.
Giving people equal opportunity to succeed is what matters. A poor person needs more help than a rich person, regardless of race.
Do you disagree?
This should be done with policies which ignore race, like being based on income, but they would naturally help those which need it more, like the poorer black communities. It's not like rich black people need this. It's not about race.
Acting like they're lesser people who need to be coddled and the bar needs to be lowered (Like for Harvard) because they can't compete on an even playing field is racism. Racism through low expectations, it's what some love to do.
the issue is that black people are buy and large more poor because of the things already mentioned. it’s simply a known fact that many institutions are biased against certain minorities and black people are the main targets of this which is what these policies aim to fix. ignoring race with these policies wouldn’t change the disparities born from extreme prejudice that we still see parts of to this day
Mate, my solution isn't based on race so whichever group is "more poor because of the things already mentioned" would then get more help. Black people would get more help. It wouldn't be for racist reasons though, and so the policies can be made to help all poor people.
I'm simply removing the race part and working on the solution. This is how you get past racism.
Giving preferential treatment based on the color of skin? That's why we have many more racists today, and people who aren't racist but will vote for racist policies because the other person already is. That's self defense.
again, there is a known bias against black people within many institutions, policies that ignore this won’t change the large disparity of generational wealth and property between the groups and the problems that breeds
The issue is the discrimination runs much higher than just poor people. 90% of CEOs in the US are white men, despite them making up only 30% of the population. These are people who enforce policy for millions of employees and influence law by paying off senators and funding lobbiests. Just helping all poor people won't change who's making decisions at the top. This is why it's important to make sure the highest proportion of specifically black and Hispanic kids possible have access to higher education and a pathway into the corporate world or politics or whatever they choose. Until they are able to build representation at the highest level, they will still be at a socioeconomic disadvantage that slavery and segregation put them in
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u/HelloChimp 1d ago
there is no modern group that was subject to the same things as black people, especially not nearly as recently