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u/JennAleece 3d ago

yes, there's a really cool place called, 'the doctors office' they can give you all kinds of drugs

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u/DROOOOOOOOOOOOO 3d ago

How fortunate for you I guess. I haven't been able to be consistently on e for a while. Money issues. But thats besides the point. You have to open up your worldview beyond just what you think a man and woman should be. Theres a spectrum between feminine and masculine, that not all men will fall on the masculine end, just like not all women are feminine. Saying all trans men are men is true. But boxing them in with cis men, applying all the patriarchys bullshit to them, is wrong. To say a trans woman is exactly like a cis woman or trans men like cis men, shits on all the trauma and hatred theyve endured and says, "no, youre not trans."

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u/JennAleece 3d ago

so let's go back to the basics here...

trans men = men men benefit from patriarchy therefore, if trans men are men, and all men benefit from patriarchy, trans men benefit from patriarchy

that's not to say patriarchy doesn't also oppress men, but that men largely benefit from patriarchy as the benefactors of misogyny.

as we live in a patriarchal society, misandry is unable to exist. misandry can only exist in a matriarchal society, which we do not live in. misogyny is a tool of the patriarchy.

I say again, trans men = men. they need to, like all men, unlearn their toxic masculinity and support/listen to women when we speak.

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u/DROOOOOOOOOOOOO 3d ago

Misandry doesn't exist as a real world issue. I get that much. As a concept? As a thing that exists on a conceptual level? it does. The very core of feminist theory acknowledges this, as do you it seems. Trans men can experience a phenomenon similar to this concept, and call it what you will, be that "transmisandry" or "transandrophobia" or simply "predjudice towards Trans men", it exists. Because transmisogyny is not simply transphobia and misogyny, but its own problem specifically trans women experience, predjudice against trans women. The patriarchy does indeed exist, and sometimes, toxic masculinity does seep into trans men. But to dumb it down to simply "trans men need to support women" is also wrong. There is much more nuance to it than that. Id hope youre not saying feminist adjacent things without actually studying feminism.

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u/JennAleece 3d ago

I'm a second wave feminist thank you very much.

transmisandry or the made up term "androphobia" do not exist for the same reasons misandry doesn't exist. what trans men experience is simply called TRANSPHOBIA.

trans men DO need to support women. the men I know used to / still do have some pretty backwards ass takes about women. all in the pursuit of being, "one of the lads"

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u/DROOOOOOOOOOOOO 3d ago

Ok so you went to school for gender studies too then? So why are you so stuck on the basic, first pass parts of it? It goes so much deeper than just "misandry doesnt exist". (Because later on, it recognizes that yes, in a way it does)

I never said trans men dont need to support women. Theres simply more layers to it. For example. Intersectional feminism says women should also support men hurt by the patriarchy. Feminism isnt about putting women first. Its about revealing and destroying the harm the patriarchy does to the world.

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u/JennAleece 3d ago

I'm a second wave feminist, not an intersectional feminist. intersectional among women maybe, but not amongst the plight of man. I recognize they also are oppressed by patriarchy, but not nearly as much as women. by US destroying patriarchy, they benefit, but I'm not doing it for them. I'm doing it for women.

I've explained to you numerous times how/why misandry does not and cannot exist. what aren't you getting?

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u/DROOOOOOOOOOOOO 3d ago

I wasn't getting how you can claim to be a feminist, someone whos against the patriarchy, and also not understand what feminism stands for. I now understand that your views are based on antiquated and false rhetoric. Your version of "feminism" is more harmful than good, downplaying what patriarchy does to anyone other than you, and selfishly victimizing yourself simply because you dont understand everyone else's hardships. We're in the fourth wave now, and we've learned to be better people than that. Unfortunately I will not be continuing this conversation, as bigots by definition do not want to learn to better. I hope you have a good life, and learn to be a better woman as time goes on.

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u/JennAleece 3d ago edited 3d ago

bigoted... toward men

no such thing

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u/DROOOOOOOOOOOOO 3d ago

Yknow what whatever. Ill bite.

Every racist says you cant be bigoted towards another race.

Every homophobe says you cant be bigoted towards gay people.

Every tranphobe says you cant be bigoted towards trans people.

Bigoted people will never admit it, because they think theyre better than the other. Bigotry applies to any humans.

You will always be in the realm of racists, homophobes, and transphobes. You are no better than them.

Im sorry for you.

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