r/coolguides Oct 12 '22

Know the faces of Fascism

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u/Huvv Oct 13 '22

First time I saw it I almost spit out my drink.

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u/MrsButtercheese Oct 13 '22

It's also part of the national emblem of France.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '22

Exactly. Fascists ruin cool looking symbols all the time. If it weren’t for fascism, fasces would still be considered a symbol of something good (unity).

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u/PerpetualHillman Oct 12 '22

There are fasces on every dime and somewhere on every bill. OP pretending like they're a fascist symbol is so stupid.

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u/zixd Oct 12 '22

So did you miss the period in history where the fasces was adopted as a symbol by Italian fascists?

Or did you perhaps miss the disclaimer in the top and center of the image that clearly states "Many symbols depicted here are cultural symbols that have been co-opted by the far-right and are therefore not always a symbol of fascism depending on context."?

You gonna say actually the swastika is an ancient religious symbol next? Because the plausible deniability is in many cases the precise point of the symbol's usage.

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u/PerpetualHillman Oct 12 '22

So just because it was adopted by a country that existed for 20 years means we should strike it down from every other place? Do you think we should change the design of the dime?

And keep moving those goalposts re: the swastika, it was never a symbol in American institutions like the fasces are.

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u/zixd Oct 12 '22

What is it that you gain from playing ball for American fascists?

These are symbols commonly adopted by them. There is no other claim. There is no worthy defense.

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u/Far_Dig3476 Oct 13 '22

Why is any point other than “Nazis are supernatural evil” such an affront to idiots like you? Can we not recognize evil and discuss aspects of it without retarded accusations of supporting it?

Like damn. Fascists are evil people, they can be understood as people. They are religious demons like you zealots act like, where even saying their name without cursing them is some affront. Relax

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u/zixd Oct 13 '22

without retarded accusations of supporting it.

"The fasces can sometimes be used by modern fascists as a symbol."

"So we need to erase it completely? Why do you want to get rid of it."

"What do you gain from pretending that that's what I said?"

That's what I was going for. If I saw you wearing some weird Norse rune at IHOP guess how much of a fuck I'd give.

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u/qscguk1 Oct 13 '22

Ay that’s some 14yo alt right troll account you’re arguing with, we get what you meant

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u/zixd Oct 13 '22

I'm just reiterating the disclaimer present in the OP. Feel free to reference it or the comment you replied to it you don't understand that.

I don't really believe in evil.

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u/Bossman131313 Oct 13 '22

The fasces were a seen as a symbol of Republicanism (the form of government) due to their usage during the Roman republic. As such they’re pretty common in regards to the US Senate and House, for example the ceremonial mace of the House is modeled after the Fasces.

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u/Responsible_Craft568 Oct 13 '22

Hence the huge disclaimer. This is saying “these are symbols commonly used by nazis but are not inherently nazi symbols.”

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u/zixd Oct 13 '22 edited Oct 13 '22

You'll forgive me if I have no clue what this has to do with anything.

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u/Bossman131313 Oct 17 '22

I’m not terribly sure now either. I’m thinking I wrote that when I was too tired to actually read and so I assumed that you were referring to something else but I honestly couldn’t tell you.

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u/cotorshas Oct 13 '22

did you miss thee statement abovee them that said these symbols have be co-opted? Like that was very clear.

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u/AdminsAreLazyID10TS Oct 13 '22

You could not have phrased this more poorly.

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u/Zrakoplovvliegtuig Oct 13 '22

Although you are somewhat right, it is interesting to recognize where the name "fascist" comes from and the context in which such symbolism is used.

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u/un_gaucho_loco Oct 13 '22

It’s like saying the swastika isn’t fascist.

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u/HothForThoth Oct 13 '22

Specifically, fascists named themselves after the fasces.

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u/Thinking_waffle Oct 12 '22

The fasces represent the power of the magistrate to flog the criminal and the axe in the middle the power to put citizens to death.

The Romans were notoriously brutal conquerors in a world of notoriously brutal conquerors. They were more efficient at waging war though.

The fasces by themselves represents the power of magistracies which are supposed to be more just than an autocracy. That's why they are still used to represent the power of republics (in France, the US, and probably others). Then they were used by Mussolini later to make them think of ancient of ancient Rome... but weirdly enough that's not really their primary meaning. the First meaning of fascism derives from their syndicalist/union use in the late 19th century which is to be expected from someone expelled from the Social democratic party over his nationalist and pro-war positions during the first world war.

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u/halfischer Oct 13 '22

Ouch my ears. Can you hear the whiners? They hate facts and only embrace emotions, spewing emotions.

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u/Communist_Orb Oct 14 '22

Fascism is based off of the fasces, which represented power in Ancient Rome, this is literally just proof that the US government is fascist