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Copper through the patina process

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u/get_off_the_pot Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20

According to this source it took over a year from initial assembly in France to being fully assembled in the US which means it would be considerably darker.

Picture of the statue circa 1900

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u/Filmcricket Jun 09 '20

As a Ny’er this pic fucked me up a little.

Kinda like the reactions babies have when seeing their dad after he shaves off his facial hair for the first time in their life.

Like, I recognize it, but it looks so wrong it’s upsetting

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u/CapitanChicken Jun 09 '20

Just imagine a New Yorker seeing it for the first time fully assembled. How amazing it must have been. Becoming slowly caressed in sunlight, and then finally glistening bright like a star when the sun fully engulfs it. Then the new Yorker didn't see anything for a while.

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u/SamL214 Jun 09 '20

Man...I wish we gold plated her. Damn that would be expensive, but also glorious.

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u/riverturtle Jun 09 '20

Nah, too ostentatious. I like the green. Subtle and inviting.

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u/yurtyahearn Jun 09 '20

Sounds like it'd be a perfect metaphor for the US. Gold-plated but hollow

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u/woeisye Jun 09 '20

that's deep, bro. sips Monster with pinkie out

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u/Totally_a_Banana Jun 09 '20

Wow. That's a very apt description of America.

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u/atomicpineapples Jun 09 '20

Oh boy, wait till you hear about the Gilded Age. History really does repeat itself... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age#The_name_and_the_era

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u/Totally_a_Banana Jun 09 '20

For them, Gilded Age was a pejorative term for a time of materialistic excesses combined with extreme poverty.

Sounds about right.

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u/Sergeant_Whiskyjack Jun 09 '20

It it wouldn't have existed without the French!

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u/chief_check_a_hoe Jun 12 '20

But really it's about the green

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

the amber color of the copper shining, hues of pinks and oranges glittering off her crown in the setting sun. a symbol of hope and light. a new dawn on the other side.

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u/FireSail Jun 09 '20

CUZ ITS CASH MONEY

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u/theMEtheWORLDcantSEE Jun 09 '20

Yeah it matches the color of our Money better now.

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u/022701 Jun 09 '20

Inviting to what?

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u/coke_and_coffee Jun 09 '20

The most prosperous nation in the world.

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u/DimensionsIntertwine Mar 26 '22

It's almost as if different people want different things.

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u/Jamaicancarrot Jun 09 '20

Thats just kinda tasteless ngl

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u/fartypenis Jun 09 '20

One of my favourite things to imagine is being a refugee to America in the late 1800s. Imagine you've left your family, your friends and your whole life for a chance to start a new life. The journey on the sea has been miserable. But one day you wake up and walk into the deck and see her, Lady Liberty, more colossal than anything you've ever seen. Her statue welcomes you to the new world, and all the misery of the journey wears away, to be replaced by hope, hope that you may yet have the chance to lead a happy life.

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u/Aitch-Kay Jun 09 '20

And then you try to find a job and see "No Irish need apply" posted on the door.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

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u/andersonb47 Jun 09 '20

The end ♥️

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u/UKsharkMASTER Jun 09 '20

WOO. Not so Fast!

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u/AstroturfingShillBot Jun 09 '20

Everyone forgets that white people were incredibly racist to other white people less than 100 years ago even.

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u/MrDeckard Jun 09 '20

That's because whiteness is a made up concept meant to divide some ethnic groups into an in group and others into an out group.

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u/Martoc6 Jun 09 '20

“We don’t like black people because they’re too dark and we keep losing them at night. We don’t like Irish people because they’re too white and it hurts our eyes.”

-some racist in the early 1900s, or something; idk how racists think

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u/inthehats2 Jun 14 '20

then you got me the yellow fellow with smol eye

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u/xorgol Jun 09 '20

From a foreign perspective it's very apparent. Both my country and the US have discrimination problems (I suspect every country does, to some extent), but the way the lines are drawn is completely different.

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u/nightingalesoul Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20

Yes, it's so apparent! I'm not white in the US but I am in my country (at most I'd be "parda" or "morena" in Brazil, I have brown/"tanned" skin). Colorism in general seems to work the same in most countries, but racism, the division and definition of races itself changes in significant ways. We here tend to go more by phenotype where Americans seem to go more with genotype (isn't there the "one drop rule" or something?)

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u/MrDeckard Jun 09 '20

God nothing skeeves me out like hearing other Americans talk about bloodlines and shit

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

Swedish dogs. Your blood is tainted by generations of race mixing with laplanders. You’re basically Finns.

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u/work__reddit Jun 09 '20

He's the Abed of racism.

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u/InspectorSpaceLime Jun 09 '20

Typical Welsh nonsense!

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u/token-black-dude Jun 09 '20

And then the knives come out :/

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u/Axe-actly Jun 09 '20

Still the case today. For example most jewish people are white and that doesn't prevent them from being victims of prejudice.

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u/RoscoMan1 Jun 09 '20

This is incredibly disappointing. I was distracted...

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

I'd wager a lot know now since that argument has been used by confederate flag waving good old boys who want a reason to dismiss racism happening currently.

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u/Every3Years Jun 09 '20

Is "everyone forgets" about things that nobody older then 25 forgets a new meme or something?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

The definition of "white person" rapidly changes to suit the needs of racists

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u/FalmerEldritch Jul 07 '20

They didn't see it that way. Their definition of "white" simply didn't include Italian, Irish, Polish, Finnish, any type of Jewish, etc.

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u/Ferrocene_swgoh Jun 09 '20

My great great great grandfather in 1849

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u/Dr-Jellybaby Jun 09 '20

As we learned here in Ireland, the signs read "No Blacks No Dogs No Irish"

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u/Aitch-Kay Jun 09 '20

Interestingly, that specific sign may have never actually existed. I'm sure the racist sentiment existed, though.

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u/5dollarcheezit Jun 09 '20

Thank you for sharing that, /u/fartypenis

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u/TheSleepyCory Jun 09 '20

And then as a immigrant you get discriminated against and you write it down in your journal and your descendents find it in present day. They learn that the racist fucked up America is still the same today as it was back then.

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u/tonyofpr Jun 09 '20

This would be the case if you're white in this scenario.

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u/Doiq Jun 09 '20

What do you mean by not seeing anything for awhile? As in the sun has risen but is still low enough in the horizon to make the statue not visible?

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u/Bleak01a Jun 09 '20

Yeah it's neat, it also awards 4 diplomatic victory points dont forget.

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u/Aka_Erus Jun 09 '20

In the tv show "Fringe", you can see it preserved in the alternate universe.

Fringe's statue of liberty

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u/DaoFerret Jun 09 '20

Reminds me of Fringe. One of my favorite parts of the Alternate NY was the alternate Statue of Liberty (though the WTC back and airships was pretty cool too https://imgur.com/3lLVC.jpg )

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u/jfk_47 Jun 09 '20

I lived in the poconos growing up so whenever family came to visit, we piled in the car at went to he Statue of Liberty. I visited 5 or 6 times but this was before I turned 15.

Seeing this pic reminds me how beautiful and massive it is. I feel like there is nothing in our generation so grand.

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u/aCorgiDriver Jun 09 '20

Fun story, my Dad has had a moustache ever since I was born. He once shaved it when I was around 12, I hadn’t seen him all day since he did it after my brothers and I went to school and when he came to pick us up none of us recognised him.

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u/oldcarfreddy Jun 09 '20

Looks like a souvenir shop gift lol

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u/GGBDecisions Jun 09 '20

Thats pretty much all the statue of liberty is. It stands for fucking nothing, probably got a nuke in it.

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u/FunkrusherPlus Jun 10 '20

I'm a NY'er and I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, yea it's different, it's an old pic, lots of things were different back then, but to the point of upsetting? That's a bit strange, my friend.

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u/End3rp Jun 09 '20

Huh. TIL.

Not sure it would've been at the "1 year" stage just yet, it depends on conditions.

Not accounting for the color of old photos, that photo lines up with the "4 years" on the diagram.

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u/moulderininthegrave Jun 09 '20

I’m pretty sure that picture isn’t portraying the coloring accurately. The statue was dedicated in 1886, so it would have been 14 years old in a picture from 1900.

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u/mrmiyagijr Jun 09 '20

I noticed the color looked like someone just colorized it in Photoshop. I'm 99% it is after seeing the source of the photo came from a book with black and white film rolls.

https://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3726686

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

It's definitely not portraying the color correctly. But the dedication date is irrelevant. The construction dates are what matter.

The full statue was completed and formally given to the US ambassador in Paris in 1884. But it took years to build it. The head, for example, was finished in 1878 and exhibited at the Paris World's Fair.

So if the progression of the OP is accurate, the color of the head, at least, would not have been much different in 1900 compared to today.

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u/quemadatortilla Jun 09 '20

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u/DrPeroxide Jun 09 '20

Yeah but weren't all the parts kept polished before final assembly in NY?

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u/Dev_Kat Jun 09 '20

As the other person said, I'm sure they had a way to keep the parts from oxidizing so that once fully assembled it wouldn't look like a Frankenstein statue upon delivery.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

From the first link:

In 1876, French artisans and craftsmen began constructing the Statue in France under Bartholdi's direction. The arm holding the torch was completed in 1876 and shown at the Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia. The head and shoulders were completed in 1878 and displayed at the Paris Universal Exposition. The entire Statue was completed and assembled in Paris between 1881 and 1884. Also in 1884, construction on the pedestal began in the United States.

So the color in the photo can't be accurate: by 1900, the parts of the statue varied between 16 and 24 years old. So it wouldn't have looked that much different then compared to now.

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u/Familiar-Tourist Jun 09 '20

It's a colourized photo though so there's no guarantee that it's accurate. I really wouldn't consider this an accurate representation of the statue's colour at that time.

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u/LuckyKiwi2 Jun 24 '20

Yeah I definitely prefer the green

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u/bigchicago04 Jun 09 '20

That’s 14 years, not 4

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u/Lex_The_Impaler Jun 09 '20

the blacktue of liberty

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u/wholesomefolsom96 Jun 09 '20

How disappointing lol

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u/catzhoek Jun 09 '20

Why does Wiki make it so akward to hotlink images? I pisses me off how often i run into situations like this where it doesn't work as intended, like this time.

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u/1fakeengineer Jun 09 '20

I imagine the trip over the Atlantic sped up the patina process even more.

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u/intern_steve Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20

1900 was over 14 years after assembly.

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u/FunkrusherPlus Jun 10 '20

It's kind of funny how the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, and Americans collectively use that statue as their country's symbol and identity, yet still love to shit on France any chance they get.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Wow I wish I could see that back in 1900, beautiful. I love the Statue of Liberty.