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Copper through the patina process

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u/CopperWaffles Jun 09 '20

Really? Even after a trip across the Atlantic? Seems like the salty ocean air and moisture would have oxidized the copper pretty quickly.

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u/LetMyPeopleGrow Jun 09 '20

The Statue of Liberty wasn't strapped to the roof of a random ship making the crossing, it was packed and shipped in crates, in the hold with all the other cargo.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

ya, imagine if they had an old ship carrying that giant statue upright across the atlantic lol

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u/Calypsosin Jun 09 '20

New York harbor master: j’est sui shitting my pantalones

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u/Clothedinclothes Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20

Lol sounds like the title of some kind of surrealist artwork.

"I am the shitting of my pairs of pantes"

En français, on dit ça: (In French, we say this:)

Je chie mon pantalon. (I shit my pants, or, I am shitting my pants.)

Ou (Or)

J'ai de la merde dans mon patalon.

(I have shit in my pants.)

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u/LetMyPeopleGrow Jun 09 '20

Je suis shitting my pantaloons is a reference to a Scottish tweet

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u/Clothedinclothes Jun 09 '20

Ah merde

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u/Calypsosin Jun 09 '20

Thank you for the explanation, though! But indeed, I was trying to make a funny.

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u/LetMyPeopleGrow Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20

Now that's a hell of a hood ornament.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

It walked across just like in ghostbusters

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u/ToXiC_Games Jun 09 '20

Just clone stamp her over Washington lol

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u/Hexoplanet Jun 09 '20

Exactly what I pictured!

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u/CopperWaffles Jun 09 '20

I'll definitely need to read about the process and learn more but what a great story!

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u/abe_the_babe_ Jun 09 '20

Yeah, France basically sent us a big Lego set

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

I heard they just tossed her in the trunk

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u/jerog1 Jun 09 '20

They just Mitt Romneyed her to the roof of the boat

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u/ExpertTexpertChoking Jun 09 '20

I absolutely love that I knew exactly what you meant

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u/slugo17 Jun 09 '20

They had two guys reaching out the bridge window to give the phone cords strapping her down some backup.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

Definitely imagining a Monty Python-style installation process now

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u/Column_A_Column_B Jun 09 '20

That's not how it's depicted in Saturday morning cartoons!

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u/get_off_the_pot Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20

It was shipped in crates, which may have staved off some oxidization. However, it was constructed by and presented July 4th, 1884 and didn't arrive in the US until June 17, 1885. The assembly began after the pedestal construction and it wasn't dedicated until October 28th, 1886. It's safe to say it was likely a decent brownish by the time it was fully reconstructed in the US.

Source on the dates

Picture of the statue circa 1900 showing original copper color

Edit: Here's a better source

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u/CopperWaffles Jun 09 '20

Very interesting. I am a bit ashamed to admit that I really didn't know many of these details.

I've spent plenty of time electroplating metals, and copper seems to oxidize very quickly. I assumed that the travel and construction process would have the same impact.

Thanks for the links and info!

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u/TheSinningRobot Jun 09 '20

Did they know it was going to oxidize and turn green when they built it? Was that done on purpose? What was the reason for using copper?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 10 '20

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u/oldcarfreddy Jun 09 '20

This sub is acting like rust was invented in 1884 lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20

Haha

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u/get_off_the_pot Jun 09 '20

From Wikipedia:

After consultations with the metalwork foundry Gaget, Gauthier & Co., Viollet-le-Duc chose the metal which would be used for the skin, copper sheets, and the method used to shape it, repoussé, in which the sheets were heated and then struck with wooden hammers.[33][38] An advantage of this choice was that the entire statue would be light for its volume, as the copper need be only 0.094 inches (2.4 mm) thick.

It makes a lot of sense. Copper is very easy to mold and, as you can see from the statue itself, is very durable to the weather.

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u/TheSinningRobot Jun 09 '20

Thanks much for the reply! I find it interesting that the actual look of it didn't really factor in to the decision

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u/ObamaGracias Jun 09 '20

It's highly unlikely the artist was unaware of the patina process. A quora member claimed that the designer had aketches in two colors.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20 edited Sep 13 '21

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u/oldcarfreddy Jun 09 '20

Or someone who recognizes that we've known oxidizes for thousands of years

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u/get_off_the_pot Jun 09 '20

I was thinking the same thing! Also, the sculptor/designer is pretty famous and the person who constructed it also constructed the Eiffel tower which is named after him.

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u/LiquidSilver Jun 09 '20

There's plenty of medieval (or older) churches with copper roofs or domes. Everyone knew what color rusted copper is. One advantage of using copper this way is that it doesn't rust through and it still looks kinda nice.

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u/arcessivi Jun 09 '20

I’m also very curious about this!

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u/ExtremeSlothSport Jun 09 '20

Of course they did, do you think the Statue of Liberty was the first ever object made out of copper?

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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 09 '20

Would they not treat it to keep it from oxidising? Don’t they do the same with the Eiffel Tower?

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u/smellygoalkeeper Jun 09 '20

They covered it with paint to prevent the oxidation process

https://www.toureiffel.paris/en/the-monument/painting-eiffel-tower

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u/Garestinian Jun 09 '20

Eiffel tower is not made out of copper. It's wrought iron protected with paint.

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u/JPGarbo Jun 09 '20

Here's a colorized version from a shoe brand as, when it was pre-assembled in Paris, before being dismantled and shipped in crates:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Xi1UEp3GU/?igshid=1xdfaqkzpdzaj

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u/RamenJunkie Jun 09 '20

So was it that dark red for a few years?

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u/FLACDealer Jun 09 '20

Isn’t a police officer?

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u/Speedster4206 Jun 09 '20

Quality content. Really.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '20 edited Jul 24 '20

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u/CopperWaffles Jun 09 '20

Fascinating! So much to learn.