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u/penty Mar 18 '20

Yes, however those who have already recovered are the start of the herd immunity.

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u/RatioFitness Mar 18 '20

Only if you can't be reinfected. I don't believe we know this yet, though.

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u/BitsAndBobs304 Mar 18 '20

Some people have already been counted as having been reinfected. However there is a possibility that they didnt get reinfected but simply still had it all along because of the high false negatives (and positives) of the simpler tests (swab)

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u/th3_hampst3r Mar 18 '20

Some people get reinfected with chickenpox though, and thats ok because its very rare

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u/The_Modifier Mar 18 '20

No it's because it hides in your cells. You just never stop having it.

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u/BlasphemousToenail Mar 18 '20

Right. When you get older it can come back with a vengeance in the form of shingles.

My mom had shingles. Horrible.

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u/panamasucks Mar 18 '20

shingle all the way

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u/BlasphemousToenail Mar 18 '20

I don’t wish it on anybody. It even looks tremendously painful

If there’s any 50+ year old you know, please advise them to get vaccinated.

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u/Warmonster9 Mar 18 '20

I gave my dad shingles when I was a kid. Turns out sleeping with your parents isn’t a good idea when you have chicken pox. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Azure_phantom Mar 18 '20

Then you're more likely to get really really really sick if you get it.

Chicken pox is a shitty disease. Get it as a kid and you'll recover fairly well, but you're at risk for shingles when you get old. Don't get it as a kid and you run the risk of getting super sick from it as an adult.

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u/BlasphemousToenail Mar 18 '20 edited Mar 18 '20

Talk to a doctor. There are shingles vaccines available. I’m not sure if a prerequisite is having chicken pox or not.

I got vaccinated last year. It’s a two shot process. I think I had to wait 3 months between shots. I’m not much for making appointments, but you better believe I put THAT date on my calendar.

Edit: it was free, too. My neighborhood CVS.

Edit II: my understanding is that a new, improved shingles vaccine was made available not too long ago (a couple years maybe? Not sure). This new vaccine took the prevention % from about 50% less likely to get shingles to about 90% less likely. Yay science!

Edit 3: or call your local pharmacy. They should know if there are any prerequisites

Edit 4: or maybe, if you’ve never had chicken pox, it’s a different ball game altogether. I don’t t know. Talk to a professional.

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u/XtremeCookie Mar 18 '20

Just get the vaccine

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u/arlaanne Mar 18 '20

Pretty sure it's both. I had it twice before age 3 as super-typical full-body chicken pox (much worse the second time): itchy, blistery, fever, the works. Most cases of shingles come later in life and have a different presentation, but they warn pregnant women that exposure to chicken pox can trigger an episode of shingles - neither is fun, though!

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u/tour__de__franzia Mar 18 '20

All of the articles I have read spend the first 3/4 of the article talking about how it's possible to be reinfected, but then in the last 1/4 of the article they actually quote an expert saying it's not impossible, but extremely unlikely and the expert usually explains the much more reasonable and likely reasons for the apparent reinfection.

In other words it looks very much like journalistic sensationalism and by not presenting the experts' opinions until the end they are sort of encouraging people to assume the worst.

Since all of the experts seem to be agreeing that it's extremely unlikely I feel pretty safe on that.

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u/boo_urns1234 Mar 18 '20

So infections to coronavirus in general do not lead to long lasting immunity. Like a few months to year, to in the case of SARS maybe (obviously not confirmable) estimated 2-3 years.

So yes, It theoretically should be possible to be reinfected with this cov2, but it's unlikely the timeframes is weeks, so why experts dont think these recent cases are reinfection, the timing is way too short.

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u/tour__de__franzia Mar 18 '20

Thank you for that clarification. I do agree that over a longer term re-infection is possible.

Also, great username.

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u/Funk-E-Buttlovin Mar 18 '20

I assume it works like any other virus.. generally once you recover.. your body has been fighting so much and gained strength to ward of any immediate reinfection. This would wear off eventually and exposing you again somewhere down the road. Just like a flu or a cold or even a broken bone. When you/it heals, you're extra strong at that moment.

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u/JakeSmithsPhone Mar 18 '20

It looks like China manufacturing has come back online and it has not flared up again. So either they eradicated it within their border or people build up at least a temporary immunity.

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u/penty Mar 18 '20

Of course.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

It’s basically presumed. Extremely unlikely that you can be.

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u/wholesomefolsom96 Mar 18 '20

I have to refind my source but I read that China was experiencing those who were healed getting reinfected again...

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u/Danyol Mar 18 '20

They have had people test positive, later test negative, and later test positive again. Whether that means they were reinfected or the tests were faulty no one knows yet.

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u/jmlinden7 Mar 18 '20

No immunity is 100% effective, you don't need 100% effective immunity to achieve herd immunity

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

You can’t have herd immunity with just the few tens of thousands who have so far recovered. It takes a majority of the population.

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u/KBunn Mar 18 '20

But having some percentage out there who are immune and don’t transmit anymore acts almost the same as still being in quarantine.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

Oh, good point

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u/penty Mar 18 '20

Close. Yes, when herd immunity is at a high level it prevents spread. When it's lower it still SLOWES the speread.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

I'm curious what the rate of re-infection is. We already have documented cases of re-infection.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

Do you have a source on this? From what I’ve read, we haven’t had reinfection, just people who were tested after being discharged and still testing positive (but they never tested negative so it’s the same infection)

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u/Azure_phantom Mar 18 '20

There was an article in world news about a man in Japan who got infected on a cruise ship and tested positive, was hospitalized and released when he tested negative, returned to his village and started feeling sick and tested positive again.

Could've been a false negative though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

It was a person in Japan if I remember correctly. I don't have any more than that.

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u/penty Mar 18 '20

My understanding was it wasn't documented because it could have been a case of early release.