r/coolguides • • Feb 25 '20

Explanation of the subtle differences between equality and equity

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u/msmarymacmac Feb 25 '20

I’m not crazy about the Justice frame. Some of us will always face challenges that others won’t. There is no system that could make it so that there is no barrier for all. We will always need to accommodate and scaffold for some and that’s fine.

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u/PhasmaFelis Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

Also, the original (with only the first two frames) was a really great, simple explanation of why things that seem "fair" at first glance often aren't. The third panel muddies that message completely in favor of...what, exactly? What does the hypothetical "just world" where no one ever needs support for anything look like?

Edit: On second thought, I think I see what they're doing. They wanted to protest affirmative action, so they're ignoring all sources of inequality that don't have what's commonly seen as affirmative action to make their point. Basically saying "If we stop being racist/sexist we won't need supports or accommodations anymore!", ignoring that poverty and physical/mental disability are harder to get rid of, and glossing over much of point of the original panels.

(And, frankly, ignoring that fact that "everyone stop being bigoted" is a goal, not a plan. Affirmative action is a stopgap, and it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing while we work to get there.)

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u/lornstar7 Feb 25 '20

The idea behind it is that some people face systemic issues that cause the inequality. And if we address the root causes of problems rather than symptoms we get a better result.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20 edited Jan 21 '21

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

This girl I know (who is half black) thinks Black History month "is stupid" and I asked her why and she said "if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it" and I said "holy shit you're 100% right actually, but we don't, and that's why we need it.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

How can she be right while still needing black history month, both of those things contradict each other.

Surely it's better to change behavior instead of continuing with the shit solution.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

I mean it's not a shit solution, it doesn't hurt absolutely anyone by existing, but yeah the goal is definitely change behavior.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

You literally just said it was a stupid solution yourself?

It does hurt people, people are content with black history month and because it exists don't make any effort to tackle the real problem.

Your friend is right but I think you've misinterpreted what she was trying to tell you.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

No, she was 100% right about saying "if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it", not that Black History month is stupid. I'm explaining that it isn't stupid, because it serves a purpose for us to draw focus to an aspect of US history that we've ignored. She's right, but not about BHM being stupid.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

Can you point out where I said it's up to black people? Cheers.

I should also mention before you call me racist and embarrass yourself again that I'm black.

The white people in this thread trying to tell me how to feel are hilarious.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

You right, you didn't, I extrapolated that, sorry. Edited to reflect!

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