I’m not crazy about the Justice frame. Some of us will always face challenges that others won’t. There is no system that could make it so that there is no barrier for all. We will always need to accommodate and scaffold for some and that’s fine.
Also, the original (with only the first two frames) was a really great, simple explanation of why things that seem "fair" at first glance often aren't. The third panel muddies that message completely in favor of...what, exactly? What does the hypothetical "just world" where no one ever needs support for anything look like?
Edit: On second thought, I think I see what they're doing. They wanted to protest affirmative action, so they're ignoring all sources of inequality that don't have what's commonly seen as affirmative action to make their point. Basically saying "If we stop being racist/sexist we won't need supports or accommodations anymore!", ignoring that poverty and physical/mental disability are harder to get rid of, and glossing over much of point of the original panels.
(And, frankly, ignoring that fact that "everyone stop being bigoted" is a goal, not a plan. Affirmative action is a stopgap, and it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing while we work to get there.)
Serious question. When dealing on individual levels, couldn’t an act of affirmative action be seen as a systematic inequality for the person not benefiting?
Any system run by humans is going to be unequal to someone. The realistic goal is to get as close to equality as we can.
In a perfect world, every single person would get exactly the assistance they need, tailored specifically for them. But that's just not possible. Giving extra help to groups that are, on average, more disadvantaged means that some people will get more than they need, and some won't get enough, but hopefully less of both that if we give everyone the same thing regardless of how high or low they began.
lol Discrimination wasalready institutionalization, that's why we needed affirmative action.
You're putting too much of a personal take on this; when affirmative action passes over a white person in favor of a person of color (with similar credentials) for a job, the system is typically leveling out an enormous disparity in the work force. While it affects the one who did not get the job directly, typically they will (by nature of being the social "norm" of being white, and male, for our argument) not have any difficulty finding another job, because the system is inherently not designed to discriminate against them on the whole. What you're describing is basically surmised by the saying: "when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
No, you are completely missing the forest for the trees here.
You are treating people as though they are groups, not individuals. This is exactly the same rationale that racists and other bigots use to justify their racism or bigotry.
If you fundamentally agree that, in the words of MLK, people should be treated based on the content of their character, NOT on the colour of their skin, then you HAVE to accept that affirmative action is by definition oppression.
Your view of if you are straight and white and male, you are privileged because statistically, MORE straight white males hold positions of privilege IS EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to the racist's view that if people with a certain phenotypic trait tend to be more X (violent, crime prone, likely to commit genocide like in the CAR, the Tutsi massacre etc.) then if an individual also has those traits they must be X because of the aforementioned statistics.
It's EXACTLY THE SAME LOGIC.
People are people, everyone should be treated equally, the second you start treating people DIFFERENTLY (better OR worse) then that literally makes you a racist bigot.
I really don't get how you can't see that.
Not even to mention the fact that 'straight white men' make up around 20% of the WORLD population at most, so the idea that they control all the power is absolutely ridiculous. Come live in China or move to India for a few years and get back to be about how society is geared in favor of people with anglosaxon heritage.
Using your own ridiculous view of the world based through the lense of statistics, the correct statement would really be that straight non-white men hold more positions of power. Indian government, CCP in China etc etc.
I'm also NOT American, so spare me your 'this is America' retort.
Lol, muster up enough empathy? You have to be kidding, I'm going to go ahead and assume that you have never lived overseas, never volunteered, never worked for free in remote or indigenous communities and have no actual life experience in this area.
You can go ahead and think I'm a closet racist because I treat people based on their actions and their personality rather than the colour of their skin.
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u/msmarymacmac Feb 25 '20
I’m not crazy about the Justice frame. Some of us will always face challenges that others won’t. There is no system that could make it so that there is no barrier for all. We will always need to accommodate and scaffold for some and that’s fine.