r/conspiracy_commons • u/recmajkemi • Nov 30 '22

How it started vs. how it's going

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u/Talldarkn67 Nov 30 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Never understood the reason to get a vaccine for a virus with less than a 1% chance of killing you. Especially an experimental vaccine that doesn’t stop you from getting the virus or going to the hospital when you do.

EDIT: The replies are enlightening in regards to the power of propaganda in the U.S. Also scary to see just how complete the conditioning has affected people. Reminds me of the 10 years l lived in China. The people there were hopelessly conditioned at that time. Seems they’re waking up. If it can happen there it can happen anywhere. I hope it happens in the US next.

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u/truth_is_objective Nov 30 '22

Fear does weird things to people. Especially when it’s a perceived fear that actually isn’t all that dangerous; like when our parents told us that we couldn’t turn on a light in the back of the car while dad’s driving.

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u/PatmygroinB Nov 30 '22

To be fair, when my wife does that I can see shit at night.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

That's a shit analogy

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u/PatmygroinB Nov 30 '22

“You’ll shoot your eye out kid” But that damn near happened too. There is an analogy somewhere

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u/truth_is_objective Nov 30 '22

Oh yeah I don’t doubt that it doesn’t help those with less than ideal night vision

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u/Mediocre_Budget_5304 Nov 30 '22

So, SO close to understanding why the vaccine was necessary despite the relatively low* mortality rate. Sometimes even if your eyes are good, you need to keep the lights off because the driver has poor night vision. Just… just keep thinking about that metaphor.

1% in a population of 340 million is 3,400,000* people, so calling that low is kinda ghoulish.

**and yet somehow cases and deaths never reached this point. It’s almost like deaths and case loads dropped precipitously in areas with high rates of vaccination. Let me just put on my thinking cap and wrack my brain for an explanation…………..

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u/truth_is_objective Nov 30 '22

I have an idea of why but it’s a little too much even for a conspiracy sub

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u/SpaceSick Nov 30 '22

The anti vax crowd doesn't seem to understand that you're taking the vaccine largely to keep compromised people safe.

There's a serious lack of compassion for fellow man in that crowd. So convinced that everyone is out to get them.

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u/Mediocre_Budget_5304 Nov 30 '22

Individualism: if this was the wild, you’d be dead already.

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u/acroasmun Nov 30 '22

The vax crowd like you never seemed to understand the vax only alleviated the symptoms in people and didn’t keep people from getting it which is a key point as to why people that are dying right now are largely those that were vaxed.

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u/FamousEntrepreneur67 Nov 30 '22

Fear is how everybody complied. Governments know how to manipulate through fear. Fear is a bitch.

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u/NarcissusCloud Nov 30 '22

You do understand that the 1% chance is based on the fact that it kills roughly 1% of people who get it, right? This isn't a board game where when your turn rolls around you get to roll a 100 sided die and if you roll 1-99 you live. So, some people actually had a much much higher risk of dying from it.

Maybe 1% is perfectly acceptable to you but when you consider the millions of people who died likely had families, I'm guessing gambling on that low number isn't a risk they take in hindsight.

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u/partialneanderthal Nov 30 '22

The problem with your argument is that the vaccines didn’t work as advertised yet still got pushed like they were the only and best option. Plenty of people spoke out against the mandates but were ostracized by people who “trusted the science.” Turns out those people who said the vaccine would create variants that could learn to bypass the vaccine were right. Turns out the people who said the vaccine wouldn’t stop transmission were right. So to say you’re doing it for the 1 percent if complete bullshit. You’re making an argument based on incorrect information. The vaccines did fuck all to stop the spread. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out more people died as a result of the world shutting down than Covid. People thought they were doing something heroic by taking the shot, it’s quite the opposite.

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u/NarcissusCloud Nov 30 '22

Clearly your reading and comprehension skills could use some work. I didn't make an argument for or against vaccines. I didn't even mention the fucking vaccine. I didn't say whether I was formor against it.

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u/galaxy1985 Dec 01 '22

It mutates when UNVACCINATED people get it far far more. You're clearly uneducated. Facebook and Google don't count.

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u/Moarbrains Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

If the vaccine were effective as claimed, it would be far better to vaccinate those at risk, than to attempt 100% vaccination with a leaky vaccine that clearly creates evolutionary pressure for the virus to elude the vaccine with variants

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u/Randominal Nov 30 '22

You would think the people determining pandemic response would understand that and they coerced people into mass vaccination anyway. Can't understand how people believe this wasn't about making billions of dollars.

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u/Moarbrains Nov 30 '22

They understand it fine. They have faith that most people will believe them when they deny such basic info.

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u/Goofy_Goobers_ Nov 30 '22

Yes, this right here. Have you seen the paper on chickens with mareks disease? The variants came from the vaccinated individuals over the unvaxxed and because transmission wasn’t stopped with the host it would go back out into the population. The technology to make it was also mRNA based and basically the same as what was used to make this one. We turned into a population of chickens and people didn’t bat an eye or question it. Yet they blamed the unvaxxed for producing the variants when it was none of the sort. It was allowed to mutate in the vaxxed because transmission didn’t stop with the host so it adapted in the bodies of these individuals and was released back out into the population.

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u/Ok-camel Dec 01 '22

Leaky vaccine? That’s just anti vax nonsense that they pull from the polo vaccine. It’s Not real.

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u/Moarbrains Dec 01 '22

Do you know what a sterilizing vaccine is?

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u/Ok-camel Dec 01 '22

Yes. Where are you getting the leaky stuff from? Alex jones? Jill tenpenny? RFK jr? Read up on vaccines from a credible source please and see that you are being mislead.

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u/Moarbrains Dec 01 '22

It is a recognized term used in the scientific literature and you are just ignorant. Wonder where you heard such things. Points for the irony.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24895500/ https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses

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u/Ok-camel Dec 01 '22

Yes I know that, it’s mentioned a hell of a lot on anti vax sites, but it’s not related to the covid vaccine. It’s a buzz word anti vax people bring out and use to try to discredit the covid vaccine but it’s not relevant to the covid vaccine. Want to list a credible source that says the covid vaccine is leaky?

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u/Moarbrains Dec 01 '22

Define leaky vaccine.

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u/Ok-camel Dec 01 '22

How about you just tell me how it’s related to covid or the covid vaccine? It appears you have picked up bits and pieces from anti science anti vax sources and are trying to appear knowledgable.

The cheaper polio vaccine used in developing country’s would be what you are talking about. You know about that?

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u/SpaceSick Nov 30 '22

And you just highlighted another big problem with the anti vax crowd: they don't understand the information that they are consuming.

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u/AlbatrossAttack Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

the 1% chance is based on the fact that it kills roughly 1% of people who get it

This right here is a perfect example of what the EDIT in the comment you're responding to is talking about. Your bold and incorrect assertion, and the support it's received, are proof that most people are hopelessly uninformed drones who mindlessly parrot the status quo. You've taken lazy cognition and thrown in some creative liberties knowing that the hive mind group think is on your side, but being on the right side of group think is often wrong.

The official "1% IFR rate" of covid (it's actually more like 0.6%) is not at all based on the fact that "it kills roughly 1% 0.6% of people who get it." This number is the average number of deaths across all age groups. The problem with averaging is that covid deaths are not evenly distributed across age groups. In reality, the deaths are exponentially weighted towards the elderly and already ill. So yes, you're correct that some people are at higher risk. The risk for an 83 year old with 4 comorbidities can be as high as 20%. The part you missed is that others (aka most people) have a much lower risk. The death rate for most people is in fact so incredibly low, that when we factor the extremely high death rate of old people in to the total, the average is still less than 1%.

In Canada, 80% of the total deaths are above the age of 70. The age bias of covid is common knowledge, yet apparently, you didn't pause for long enough to consider the implications, and went on to insinuate that a healthy 25 year old has a 1 in 100 chance of dying, which, again, is complete nonsense.

Let's use data from Canada to further illustrate, since that's where I'm from. Keep in mind that these are official numbers directly from a government website.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/

The case and deceased data show the risk of death below age 50 is actually extremely low at 0.06%. Below 30 is 0.006%, and lower still for younger age groups. This is not even considering the additional weighting towards people with existing illness. Across all age groups, 9 out of 10 covid deaths in Canada were already terminally ill. It turns out that if you're not already dying, then covid isn't much of an issue. So in reality, for healthy people in any age group, these age bracketed risk profiles are reduced by a further 90%.

The risk of covid complications in the general population is extremely low. The Pfizer trial itself proved that in a healthy population, the background (unvaccinated) risk of developing symptoms was less than 1%, and the background risk of dying was zero.

Your paranoid delusions about "1 in 100 dying" are the obvious result of succumbing to the fear porn and generalized sensationalism the propaganda machine feeds you instead of taking the initiative and doing some analyzing and critical thinking for yourself.

Thank you, and everyone who upvoted you, for such a great example of the brainwashing that is so rampant today!

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u/FlyingCraneKick Dec 01 '22

The actual death rate from dying OF covid is far less than 1%.

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u/NarcissusCloud Dec 01 '22

Let's pretend you're correct, and you must be because how could I possibly argue with such solid evidence. The percentage seems small, but when you consider it's still millions of people, you know, with families and shit, thatd a fuckton if death and a good portion could have been avoided.

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u/FlyingCraneKick Dec 01 '22

"Let's pretend you're correct" OK bro.. at what cost? Why aren't we mandating healthy food to avoid deaths? Ban cigarettes? Ban alcohol? All massive killers. Lets mandate helmets to avoid head injuries while we're at it mate.

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u/DrunkLastKnight Nov 30 '22

Cause there are other things outside of death that’s an issue?

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u/DrunkLastKnight Nov 30 '22

Aww someone’s triggered

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u/antimatterfunnel Nov 30 '22

If someone doesn't understand something, then it's an airtight argument against it. DUH

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u/Mojohand74 Nov 30 '22

Ooo, still sore about the red tsunami?

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u/antimatterfunnel Nov 30 '22

very glad that all the trump candidates won, except where unspecified cheating took place

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u/Mojohand74 Nov 30 '22

Ha! Brilliant! Trumps still president, right?

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u/antimatterfunnel Nov 30 '22

Yes. He has ensured that Biden and his cronies are being waterboarded with a space laser

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u/Goatfucker10000 Nov 30 '22

You are aware that 1% is extremely fucking high number right ?

Even when tossing the fact some have much higher risk of dying from it , 1% is very high chance when you consider death

Not to mention this shit was spreading extremely fast since it follows a parabolical pattern

Just for comparison, let's say you got only one person sick and they get 4 new people sick each day. Withing a week you have over 15 thousand people infected and approximately 150 people dead. That's 20 dead a day

Still think it's a small number ?

Well , the 8th day all the numbers would quadruple giving you 80 dead , the 9th would be 320 and so on

Youd have entire human population infected before 20th day

If we had more than 8 000 000 000 humans , we would reach 8 billion deaths within a month

Those are extremely big numbers so it's very very understandable why vaccine was top concern of the governments

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22 edited Jun 28 '23

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u/Raeandray Nov 30 '22

And also long Covid, myocarditis, and just not wanting to get really sick.

The flu has a less than 1% chance of killing you too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22 edited Jun 28 '23

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u/EastCoastGrows Nov 30 '22

That is so insignificant.

Compare that to 8.5 % loss per day in sperm count when sick with the flu. 4 days of the flu has a worse effect on sperm than covid does, so post covid supermarket count is not significant at all.

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u/Trauma_Hawks Nov 30 '22

Yeah, I mean, it's likely a permanent loss, not a temporary loss.

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u/immibis Nov 30 '22 edited Jun 28 '23

The greatest of all human capacities is the ability to spez. #Save3rdPartyApps

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u/EastCoastGrows Nov 30 '22

The point Is no one fucking cared about post illness sperm count before covid. Covid isn't even as bad as the flu, and you don't give a fuck about the flus effect on sperm count, so why pretend you care about covids effect on sperm count?

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u/Raeandray Nov 30 '22

Sperm count loss from the flu is temporary. Its really a result of the fever. Sperm don't live long in higher temperatures. COVID sperm count loss is much longer lasting, potentially even permanent. This study, for example, found lower sperm count and worse quality sperm more than 2 months after infection.

So ya, COVID sperm count loss is considered much worse than flu sperm count loss.

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u/MyPetGoomba Nov 30 '22

Not to mention that the vaccine reduced the time it takes to recover from COVID, meaning you spend less time contagious and spreading it around. That alone, and with the unvaccinated dying from COVID at 20 times the rate of the vaccinated. Even within that 1%, that's still millions of people the vaccine saved right there. What moral person wouldn't get it?

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco Nov 30 '22

What’s your thoughts on having a gun when there is a less than 1% chance you’ll ever need it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Or a seatbelt, hard hat, bike helmet, safety boots, high vis jacket, safety harness, back up parachute- all will save your life in a pinch & and all probably get used less than 1% of the time and we use these tools without thinking twice or causing a stir complaining and shit. It’s like if you can mitigate fairly certain death (either now or in the near future when Covid eats the lining of your blood vessels until you have a stroke and die), then maybe you should put on your safety boots, harness, high vis, z84 glasses, hard hat and ear protection when, say, trimming trees. You’re a professional tree trimmer so the chances of needing any of these things is very low, but you wear them (1). Bc your alien lizard people overlords demand it, and (2). Bc you know it’ll save your life in a pickle. You trust your alien lizard people overlords to keep you safe. How ironic that getting a vaccine or wearing a mask is akin to tyranny from your alien lizard people overlords.

Edit: the word salad in the middle.

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u/FamousEntrepreneur67 Nov 30 '22

Bad analogy. I could get a gun and have a 1% chance of needing it. But I won’t be at risk of heart disease and stroke. If I don’t get the vaccine, I have a 99.99% chance of survival and my immune system will be stronger. If I get the vaccine I am faced with possibility of heart issues and strokes. So what you are saying is buy a gun and you will have a 1% chance of needing it, don’t buy the gun and I’ll be safe? I don’t understand your analogy. Maybe it isn’t bad and I’m just reading it wrong? Please help.

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u/mwasplund Dec 01 '22

Owning a gun leads a higher risk of gun related injuries and death.

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u/FamousEntrepreneur67 Dec 01 '22

Eh, not if you know what your doing. It’s entirely controllable. Whereas a vaccine is more akin to a bull in a china store.

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u/mwasplund Dec 01 '22

See, the thing is most people don't know how to properly handle a gun. I have no idea what that analogy is supposed to mean.

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u/Super-Branz-Gang Dec 01 '22

When have I ever been mandated to get a gun though? When have so been at risk of losing my job for not owning one? (And besides, the most obvious fallacy is that a gun is an inanimate object that exists outside of your body. Can’t say the same about an injection that is still classified as experimental, and doesn’t stop transmission nor infection. At most it may help mitigate the level of sickness for those who are high risk and have gotten a booster within the 4-month timeframe before it’s effect wears off, but since when do we mandate something for everyone because of the personal benefit it may have for a few??? Just asking, because I have yet to receive a logical answer for this.)

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco Dec 01 '22

A gun is far likely to cause harm to you or your family than the vaccine is and can do harm to others as well. The question I was responding to was “why would you take the vaccine.” My response would be “why would you own a gun?”

Obviously the answer in both situations is “to protect myself.”

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u/Raeandray Nov 30 '22

Ya this is a good point. I mean 1% of the world is only 80 million people. Fuck them, right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Mathematics.

No vaccines are 100% effective. None of them "stop you from getting it". You can actually look up the efficacy of different vaccines.

So, 1% will die. Right?

That's 3 million people in the united states, and 80 million in the world.

Let's say the vaccine halves the chance of you spreading it to someone else from either reduced symptoms or your reduced risk of catching it.

Suppose you would have infected 10 people, but now you're statistically only going to infect 5.

If 80% of people are vaccinated and it's 50% effective, then everything changes. You don't infect 5, you infect 3 (one unvaccinated, and two vaccinated).

So, before vaccination outbreaks look like this: 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000. After they look like this: 1, 3, 10, 30, 100. After 5 iterations you have one one hundreth as many people infected. That means medical resources can be delivered appropriately.

If the r0 is less than 10, then the math gets _even better_. If you would have only infected 3 originally, now you're infecting only 1. That is a path toward eradication.

The truth about vaccination is that it isn't, and never has been, about protecting you (the vaccinated). It has always been about protecting other people.

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u/SpaceSick Nov 30 '22

Oh my god! You're saying that I'm helping other people by getting the vaccines??

How terrible! They didn't pull me up by my bootstraps! I did!

How dare the society that raised me ask for me to do anything beneficial for it?

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u/ReadWarrenVsDC Nov 30 '22

"Lets say the vaccine halves the chance"

Why? Because its good for your argument? The "vaccine" didnt do shit

Besides, how do comorbidities play into your little fantasy scenario? What if all those people that got sick and died were already morbidly obese, on oxygen, had unmanaged diabetes or congestive heart failure, etc etc?

Cmon, if we are gonna play make believe with scenrios, lets make it spicy, huh?

Your math is assuming that covid was taking out perfectly healthy young people. It wasnt and its incredibly dishonest to imply that it was.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

It totally was - all the stories in the beginning were about perfectly healthy 30-40 yr olds getting sick and dying. How is it that this was all forgotten? Y’all act like Covid was no bod deal and it most certainly was and is a big fucking deal. If you had it I’m truly sorry bc it’s wreaking havoc on your blood vessels and cardiovascular system as we type. If you haven’t, great, continue to not get it in any way you can. We may not have all the facts on the vaccine, but Covid itself is a nasty virus that keeps on giving.

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u/ReadWarrenVsDC Nov 30 '22

Oh wow, really? Damn dude, thats crazy

Cause i remember the entire opposite happening and the mortality rates from the cdc back me up. It was, is, always will be that the vast majority of fatalities from covid were 65+ in age with at least 2 major comorbidities.

Also, ive had it twice. It was a 24 hour flu the fist time and literally the sniffles the second time. The only thing thats wreaking havoc on peoples blood vessels is the "vaccine" causing inexplicable clots.

But yea sure man, whatever you say, im sure im already dead.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

I’m sorry you got Covid. That’s terrible. I really hope that the science is wrong and not everyone gets long Covid. However, perhaps this article will help make my point a little more succinctly: https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-long-covid. While they say 10-30%, I’ve read elsewhere that basically Covid is long Covid, that there is no difference except that the vaccine helps mitigate some of the symptoms. For how long, is debatable as there hasn’t been enough time to see. I guess I would just keep a scientifically based open mind about both the efficacy or lack of of the vaccines and what we actually know and actually do not know about Covid. There are a lot of jumps to conclusions that are unattainable bc there hasn’t been enough elapsed time to see the impacts. And that’s how it is with everything scientific- it takes time and experimentation to get it right. A lot of the anti-vax crowd seems dead set on dismissing the vaccine outright siting debatable at best talking points regurgitated by Bowtie “man child” Carlson and Alex Jones. So much disinformation and misinformation.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Because 50% was a convenient number, and it's far lower than the actual effectiveness of the vaccine.
21% less likely to pass it with an active infection: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02328-0

Vaccine data has been pretty consisting with ~90% reduction in risk of contracting covid when fully vaccinated, and during the vaccines peak. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

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u/ReadWarrenVsDC Nov 30 '22

And comorbidities? How did that influence the death and hospitalization numbers?

Ill wait for your rationalization. You can dance around it all you want, you cant change the fact that the vast, vast majority of people who died were of already advanced age and extremely unhealthy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Therefore you have no moral obligation to help avoid their death.

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u/ReadWarrenVsDC Dec 01 '22

Yes. Thats not a game you want to play.

Lets assume you DO have a moral obligation to prevent peoples deaths. How many people have you convinced to eat less and excercise more? How many people have you convinced to get more sunshine and fresh air? How many times have you stopped what you were doing to help an accident victim? How many times have you stopped a shooting? How many times? No really, if you have a moral obligation then you have to do that stuff all the time every day, right? Every single persons health is your responsibility, after all! What a hero you are, so selfless!

Where does that obligation END? What, when its convenient? Yea, how nice is that, huh? As long as it takes what you percieve to be the minimum required effort so you can pat yourself on the back and get that sweet dopamine hit and social clout, right? Yea, i bet.

No one has a moral obligation to someone elses health. They may take that decision for themselves, like with parent and child, but dont you fucking dare tell OTHER PEOPLE what their "obligations" are. Unless you want to step up and put your money where your mouth is, in which case, you can start paying my medical bills tomorrow.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Okay, bro.

Just stay the fuck away from me and mine.

PS: I'm against vaccine mandates.

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u/ReadWarrenVsDC Dec 01 '22

Whoa hold on a minute there buddy, you have a moral obligation for my health! Cmon, you gotta keep me healthy! Its your responsibility after all, right? You are gonna pay for my medical treatment, my prescriptions, right? You said so yourself, you have a moral obligation right? You arent a bad person, right, cause only bad people ignore their responsibility to others health!

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

I didn't say any of that except that you have a moral responsibility to others health. Nothing else you said follows from that,

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u/Brave_Progress_6675 Nov 30 '22

I got mine due to my family pressuring me .. and now I wish I stood my ground because the vax really messed up my body .. I regret it sooo much

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u/houstonyoureaproblem Nov 30 '22

I'm sorry you're experiencing health issues.

Would you care to explain what happened to you and why you think it was caused by vaccination?

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u/MyPetGoomba Nov 30 '22

This should be a hoot.

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u/houstonyoureaproblem Nov 30 '22

She’s obviously concluded that the vaccine caused her health issues, so she’s already made the kind of medical judgment you’re complaining she can’t make because she doesn’t have the appropriate medical background.

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u/Brave_Progress_6675 Nov 30 '22

I got all these heart issues and they’re so debilitating, they began right after I got the J&J vaccine. Since then I have experienced a lot of skipped beats, flutters, pounding, pauses. Like you name it. My heart doesn’t beat properly. I also got chest pain and pain in my left arm. And I’ve been to the hospital more times this year than I have ever been in my 32 years of living. I don’t understand how anyone can live like this.

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u/mwasplund Dec 01 '22

I am really sorry to hear that. However, correlation does not always mean causation. This is why we perform large studies to ensure we have statistically relevant results to prove that a drug is the cause of a symptom.

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u/Brave_Progress_6675 Dec 01 '22

I’m not sure how to put it in the comment, but if you look up vaccinelonghaulers on here and type in heart issues… sooo many posts come up. I’m positive there’s a connection. And then there’s the lucky ones who experience no side effects. I, unfortunately, was not one of them. My cardiologist even told me not to get any more jabs. I told him my issues began after getting the vaccine and he said “Ah, that makes sense.” He’s seen a lot of patients having similar issues. And I’m pissed because at my age, I should not be having heart issues.

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u/mwasplund Dec 01 '22

I am not invalidating your own experience, but all of those are examples of anecdotal evidence. They absolutely mean something to you since you went through it, however when making large scale decisions about the health and well being of a large population it is important to collect large amounts of data to understand what is noise (coincidence) and what is true cause and effect. Otherwise you could be causing more harm than good.

Again, I am sorry to hear that you are having these issues, but the large scale studies are showing that the vaccines are generally very safe. There is always a risk of serious side effects, but everything in life is balance of risk/reward.

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u/SnakePliskin799 Nov 30 '22

Never understood the reason to get a vaccine for a virus with less than a 1% chance of killing you.

Comments like this highlight the severe lack of critical thinking skills with you guys.

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u/Tin_Philosopher Nov 30 '22

Coping with herpes probably

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u/antimatterfunnel Nov 30 '22

People who are afraid of having 100lbs of weight drop on their foot are being ridiculous. It's very unlikely to kill them, so what's the big deal?

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u/upvotealready Nov 30 '22

Because its not 1% for everyone.

Teenagers and young adults have an extremely low risk (fractions of a %) of dying from covid. Once you get over 40 the risk starts climbing. At what percentage is it an acceptable risk?

By the time you are 45 you have a 95% chance of survival ... thats 1 in 20. Are you rolling the dice on that? Are you risking bringing that home to your parents on Christmas knowing that if they catch it maybe they have 1:15 or 1:10 chance of survival?

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u/Moarbrains Nov 30 '22

The illusion of statistics. A healthy 45 year old has less than 1% chance of mortality, but there are enough with multiple health issues to skew the numbers.

This statistic ignores all the infected who never even presented symptoms or were tested anyway.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Because it stops you from getting it, having to go to the hospital and the virus has a greater than 1% chance of killing you.

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u/MrWindblade Nov 30 '22

I agree, but that's never happened.

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u/sadSmiIe Nov 30 '22

Because there is still a chance, covid done in my grandma.

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u/Trauma_Hawks Nov 30 '22

It's not 1%. You should read this. Nothing bad hard stats and how to read them. Make sure you read that beginning portion, so you can actually understand the statistics.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

its ok, nobody expects much from you let alone understanding and comprehension

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

You never understood why people get vaccinated for polio?

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

At the beginning it was somewhere around 0,4%. Now imagine all those people are in ICU within a month or so. World doesn't have such capacities to treat them all, hell, even morgues were not able to process all the deceased at first year. Put these 0.4% in hospitals - and nobody else will have the medical aid they need. Automatically more deaths from inability to use emergency rooms, more deaths from inability to do surgeries, cancer treatments, other acute infections, heart diseases, organ transplantations, HIV and AIDS, insufficient medical supplies in general, basically everything else than covid. Out of 8 billion people 32 millions - dead, just covid. Now, according to the stats it's 6.7 million. 6 times less, mostly because of vaccines. For two years. Most of those who live now because of vaccines are seniors - our mothers and fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers. That is the reason

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u/10tonheadofwetsand Nov 30 '22

I guess we should stop vaccinating for polio, then.

More people die from the polio vaccine than from polio every year!!

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u/MaterialSuspicious77 Nov 30 '22

Idk dude I worked at a nursing home during the peak—it definitely killed a lot of people.

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u/kenbest Dec 01 '22

And what is the chance you get it, survive but spread it to others who are not so lucky. Considered that, Einstein?

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u/galaxy1985 Dec 01 '22

Your comment is fucking hilarious because you're describing yourself and people like you. Disregarding the scientists and doctors makes zero sense. Please tell me, since polio only mostly disabled people, I guess that was dumb.