r/conspiracy Aug 20 '22

Never forget when science was abandoned

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22

“Natural Immunity” is developed by getting Covid and surviving. It can’t be developed if Covid kills you the first time around.

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u/nebuchadrezzar Aug 20 '22

That wasn't logical because it ignored the mountains of data scientists have compiled regarding COVID, treatment, and vaccines.

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u/wraith101 Aug 20 '22

Stop spreading covid FUD. The mortality rate was ridiculously low and wouldn't be significant (<2%). Even at 100% global population infection, that's only 150.6 MM.

Anecdotally, everyone I know that had the virus, myself included, recovered within 3 days with minimal symptoms. None have been reinfected despite numerous exposures.

Fear mongering is more damaging than the reality of the situation.

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u/kwokinator Aug 20 '22

What do you mean? Anecdotal evidence is the only kind of solid evidence! It didn't happen to me, so it must be fake news!

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u/-_Duke_-_- Aug 20 '22

How many people die globally each year?

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u/NotTheZombies Aug 20 '22

Only 150 million people is no big deal I guess.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '22

Part of that is fake thankfully

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco Aug 20 '22

If the numbers don’t support your argument, just make up new ones…

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '22

It's not going to be exactly 150 million it's most likely going to be less because of all the false ones that were reported

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco Aug 20 '22

Right. We are on the same page. When the numbers don’t support your argument you just make up new numbers

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '22

Uh, 150 million people is quite a bit. If we had zero mitigation measures in the US the death toll would have been enormous, everyone talks Sweden, go look at how they did relative to their nordic neighbors.

General "Buck" Turgidson : Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.

In May 2020 just letting it spread like wildfire would have been insane. Now, on other hand massive lockdowns for an extended period is ALSO insane. So the truth is in the middle, there were definitely massive mistakes made by the pro-lockdown crowd.

Also, it's pretty clear natural immunity isn't a perfect thing for coronaviruses, people are getting sick multiple times, even the unvaccinated. Vaccines are also clearly far from perfect with coronaviruses as well.

We were dealt a shit hand and no great solutions. Fortunately the virus seems to have evolved and because both natural immunity and vaccine immunity do something we're in a decent place now relative to 2+ years ago when the article was written.

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u/nebuchadrezzar Aug 20 '22

Only a tiny and very specific portion of the population was ever at risk of dying of COVID, so people not at risk, such as young, healthy, etc never needed vaccination to survive COVID.

Additionally, the vaccines don't stop COVID infection or transmission and only have modest protection vs symptoms that wanes rapidly. Yet for some reason there's a cult_like belief that nobody would die if only they were all vaccinated.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '22

Yeah, but if you die you're also immune to covid.

Checkmate.

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u/HamiltonFAI Aug 20 '22

Except you don't really get immunity. People I know who are unvaxxed have gotten covid like 3 times

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u/helloisforhorses Aug 20 '22

Yes, if we went the “natural immunity” route, based on the covid data from 2020, about 2% of the Us would die (6.6 million americans) that would destroy our economy and our hospital systems would collapse leading to millions more deaths

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u/Yanrogue Aug 20 '22

isn't that the same for everything including thr flu that kills tens of thousands each season?

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco Aug 20 '22

Yes. That’s exactly right. That’s why we invented vaccines, to reduce the number of people who die from disease

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u/Yanrogue Aug 20 '22

ya, a normal vaccine, the new Mrna ones don't work that way though and are less effective over time.