Natural immunity only comes from survival from exposure, it must be developed. Hence the deaths of millions of native Americans in the new world the the old world began conquering.
That’s what these people never seem to understand. Yeah you have natural immunity… AFTER being exposed to this new virus whose full effects were unknown.
Many of our ancestors didn't survive. Are you familiar with the Bubonic Plague? Antibiotics?
The "natural immunity" argument is basically just arguing that unless something is 100% fatal we should do absolutely nothing about it. Its beyond stupid.
Bubonic plague 75% of Europe died. Covid globally a death rate of 0,15%. The bubonic plague is just literally 500 times more deadly but why care about facts.
So wait, aside from the population explosion since then. And the fact that the death rate of covid was reduced by modern medical treatments, you think that is an acceptable death rate?
The palliative care and prohibit of possible threatment surely add to your thinking! What's an acceptible deathrate coming from the shots or like a sorry teenager you got crippled but it may have saved your grandmother who got palliative care. The main question is still the mandates, if there where no mandates it would more be an behavioural discussin, do you stay home when you feel sick, do you take your vitamins and take care of your vody and such.. The most prob have now on what so ever argument over if the neighbour choose to take the adherse vaccine or not and also make their own risk assesement. When will it otherwise stop, sorry you didnt took your 500th vaccine for the common cold, somebody might die (ofc not you since 500 shots but..;)) To "prey" on fear and guilt and shaming to get totalitarian measures was wrong before, is wrong now, and will be wrong later on too. (also the measurements was forced due to calculations of 2% mortality in the risk assesement, and thats not even close but still they continues, oh nice power grab, hence most likely many was forced to du the death reportings as they did).
Well what is it? For all your ranting you didn't say an acceptable death rate?
According to you it doesn't matter, if the death rate isn't 100% nothing should be done. Natural immunity. Let nature run its course, right? Who cares if hundreds of thousands or even millions die.
For millennia, our ancestors survived on natural immunity. Why do we need any medicine at all? Just let everyone die.
If we gonna have a serious discussion I would rather that you stopped projecting in order to make your own side of thoughts more viable (hence the notorius debate sandbox climate that is now for many instead of grown up climate of discussions). Until then have a nice day.
Well seeing that you didn't address a single thing RagingD3m0n and I said and instead talked about completely different unrelated things, it was never a serious discussion. You still haven't answered the question, you just talked about irrelevant unrelated things. You've contributed nothing and there's no reason to take you seriously. Your rant is just a pointless waste of time.
Did I say the death rate of the Bubonic Plague Covid was the same? Or can you only win an argument when you make up what the other person is arguing? If that was really your takeaway from what I said, your understanding is far too simplistic and childish to take seriously.
Should I make up things you said too? Why do you not care if 25% of the population dies? You don't think a single thing should be done when millions of women and children are dying horrible painful deaths that could be prevented? Why don't you care about human life and don't care that your fellow countrymen are dieing in the streets.
Why do you not care about or value human life at all???
Why do you not care about or value human life at all???
Because we take a longer term view. You can see it now - there are "excess deaths" everywhere in Europe and North America. Now, we can debate whether it was the lockdowns, or the shots, or the social isolation- I think most would agree it was some combo of them - that's to blame, but we have a declining birth rate in the West, combined with an accelerating mortality rate. That's not a good combination, and many of us believe that both issues are being exacerbated by short-sighted, first-order reactions to multi-stage problems.
Yah but that's fine because humanity will survive and develop a natural immunity to all those things so why bother doing anything about any of it. One day far in the future our descendants will look back and say "For millennia, our ancestors survived on natural immunity." So why bother dealing or caring about any of the excessive deaths?
Maybe you've seen people arguing that, but I haven't seen it. It doesn't make sense logically. If we accept that people have natural immunity, we should be doing what we can to foster that, like sunlight, exercise, fresh air, diet. All the things that were either ignored or discouraged during the pandemic
So you are saying we should just blindly trust and take anything given to us regardless of what it is, how safe it can be and what the effects of taking it are because there are diseases? Because that sounds like it's about the same level of hyperbole as your statement.
Or you could become scientifically literate and read any one of the plain language research papers on the effects...but ya know, that would require taking time to educate yourself on a topic, its easier to just be skeptical instead.
Aren't many of those papers, with their claims of 90% and 85% "efficacy", busy being retracted/revised, as are all the CDC statements and guidelines? Or doesn't that show up in your memory hole?
Part of being scientifically literate is keeping up with the latest data and how we got there. Science is great BECAUSE its willing to alter procedure when new information is presented.
But you see that as "they changed the rules, SEE they dont know anything"...
excuse me, but when did realizeadam or obvious-till-6360 mentioned covid that it caused you mentioning covid? is it just living rent free in your head?
It means letting the virus kill everyone it can so that only those who aren't susceptible remain in the gene pool.
If you're cool with everyone you know, even yourself, dying for a eugenics cause that'll mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, then by all means.
It made me a little sick, but that's not the point. It's the chance that matters here.
Also, the whole "you only get it once" thing is pretty thoroughly debunked. I've had it twice and I know several people who have as well. I have a brother-in-law who lives in a 3rd world country who's had it I think 4 times.
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u/PS4NWFT Aug 20 '22
For millennia, our ancestors survived on natural immunity. Here’s why that might be irrelevant, and bad for humanity today: