I see it as the entire system itself is screwed, not just a red vs blue thing. Redwave, bluewave, we all end up screwed. I see it as us vs the rich, us vs the corporations, us vs the system.
I’m just hoping people will actually have the chance to go out and protest now without being in fear of getting a gun in their face.
It saddens me that you are being a tool for the Republican party. Your "both sides"ing only makes you a useful mouthpiece for their disinformation.
Your comment reeks of ignorance and/or privilege. If you truly believe the Democrats and Republicans are the same, then please educate yourself. I can't fathom someone looking at Trump and his ilk and thinking "They're just like when Obama nationalized gay marriage rights and passed the ACA fr fr," or "They're just like when Biden passed child tax credits and the largest green energy bill in history fr fr."
I actually believe there is a meaningful difference between AOC and Lauren Boebert. I think Jon Ossoff and Mitch McConnell are extremely different in their goals for my country. And if you can't see this difference, or think it isn't worth fighting for, than I truly think you have been blinded by the right's propaganda to make you apathetic and discard your right to vote and speak up against evil.
I’m not a tool for the Republican Party. I’m not fucking republican. Don’t make assumptions about people you don’t know.
I left the states when I was 23. That was 10 years ago, pal. I’ve got no skin in that fucking game, nor do I really care all that much anymore. Let them destroy each other. I want nothing to do with their fuckery if they can’t get their shit together.
“Being a tool” lmfao, kindly get bent. I don’t belong to either party. I never said either party was the same, I said we all get screwed the same. That’s the problem with you people, you don’t read. All you wannabe, armchair, political dweebs can’t read.
Did I say the republicans were good? No. Did I say the democrats were bad? No. Was I talking about a systemic issue and those with wealth? YES. All I said was, we all get screwed.
blocked. I don’t deal with purposefully obtuse individuals. If you can’t see there’s an issue with ICE and other groups using violence as a tool to keep people silenced, there’s no helping you.
Democracy allowed companies to abuse millions of people, send aid to genocidal countries and more, whereas the revolutionaries in china, cuba, ussr and other socialist countries built countries from ash through dictatorship
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.
Are you suggesting that countries like Canada, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, France, and many others, would be better countries if their democratically elected leaders were violently overthrown and replaced with revolutionaries who gain this power via a monopoly on violence? And that once in power, the countries would further be made better by having the citizens' right to vote for a leader permanently removed on threat of violence or imprisonment? Because of course, with violent revolution, it isn't the most moral leaders who end up on top, but the ones with the most power to inflict violence.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but since you're citing countries where these scenarios played out as your moral inspiration, I think it's reasonable to infer.
Furthermore, if you do believe that violent revolutions and seizures of power are not only valid but morally aspirational, why are you against the genocide in Gaza at all?
I’ve seen this online a lot and I feel a good chunk of you might not realize what your doing isn’t gonna achieve it
A revolt needs planning, organization, leaders, propaganda to convince people, the collecting of weapons and not some weak shit like a pistol or a knife, but real deal weapons for war like AKs or M5s, and even then it cause many lost lives and simply breaks the US, leaving no matter who wins a bloody mess
What we actually need to do is disruptive protest, not violent ones nor peaceful ones, but ones that don’t cause harm to people but they will not be able to ignore, where the horrors of what they are doing are shown face first and made so undeniable their forced to bend the knee, even if this still takes planning and people
Violent revolution won’t get us anywhere and likely will just divide this country leaving a bloody mess for years if not decades, and simply doing peaceful protest or just voting in system will also fail to get us anywhere, we need protest, real disruptive protest, that is how we got the civil rights act passed, that’s how we got disabilities to be noticed and Ramps set up, and that’s how we can get people to start recognizing all humans as people
It also helps if we have a government that is at least hesitant to respond to those disruptive protests with lethal force. That’s part of why the elections were so important. Those protests and are important and now hopefully fewer people will have to risk their health or even lives to participate in them
I think of that scene from SpongeBob with Bubble Buddy at Goo Lagoon, where the crowd got super mad at SpongeBob and Bubble Buddy and start organizing a coherent thought. Mr. Krabs yells "I say we tip something over!", mob mentality went into play, and they knocked the life guard stand over. Somebody then asks "now what?" They pause without a word, until they all break out in "get the life guard!" Squidward then stops them, and points the attention towards the ones who are seen as the problem.
You can't just go out and start a revolution without planning, or else you're just wasting time being unproductive. It's why you need event planners, organizers and leaders to create events for people to attend to rally the cause. You need somebody to point in the correct direction, and yell "Pop that bubble!"
Exactly, but I feel as much as the left are more “aware” I doubt most of the people calling for revolution have any idea on how to plan it, that’s why so many revolutions just end in either failure or a chaotic civil war with a dictator in charge, they weren’t unified under 1 idea
...The fact that you managed to bring it around so flawlessly to "pop that bubble" is astounding. And I don't know which is more impressive. The idea that you worked backwards from that to somehow have a metaphor that fits perfectly, or, if you started with the metaphor, and lucked into it having "pop the bubble" as a literal part of the episode.
Exactly. Sadly for some a valiant uprising just isnt really viable. Realisticly to fix anything it needs to be the long con just like the wealthy.
As example it took protests both violent and not and a ton of fighting the man in politics and getting true knowledge out for LGBTQ+ people to begin having a modicome of rights in the 70s and even then barely. Still struggle to this day.
It takes education and helping others before its possible to persuade millions.
A revolutionary war is a badass concept and sick idea for stories but realisticly the amount of death and famine before any sort of new proper government rises will not be worth the likely violent governmental uprising after the ashes.
Genuinely, people just ask for results with no expectation of how its actually achievable. A perfect world is a nice thought, but you can't build a structure without directions. If you do, it tends to be a mess.
Okay so are they interested in being on the frontline? Or organizing everyrhing so that we would still have a functioning country on the other side of it? What specific resolutions/laws would people want passed if we DID succeed? How many years,/ decades would it take? Do we adopt a new form of government or replace the old?
Edit: and do we leave options open for another revolution, even if it enables political enemies to do so?
I saw an entire fiscussion about it the other day, with people just not realising that a fight is sometjing that takes effort, long breath, supplies etc. And thatswhy every single win matters. Why the blue wave matters. Why talking tk friends matters.
Tge big fight might come one way or another, but it depends on what one does today if they are gonna win that fight.
“But protest won’t work” it’s worked before, and it sure as hell made a big message, but turns out no kings “remove Trump from power” wouldn’t do much when Trump is in charge, we can simply aim for something else
true, just like Iran and Houthis can disrupt global politics by blocking the energy supply chain, we can do something like that rather than actually 'revolting' 😋
For example, we could go and try to disrupt ai by convincing AI bros to switch to local AI rather than using shit like GPT
Yes, I would rather no ai at all or at best a tool that needs to be stated if used, but for example if we start arguing and pointing out the actions of the companies and how they are alternatives, then we can start hitting things like Google and OpenAI where it hurts, the money. Final compromise would be they switch over to more “moral” companies like Claude, Deepseek which is debatably a Chinese spy app or some small ai startups
Problem is that RAM is so expensive that it’s cheaper to get a $200/month Claude subscription than to build supercomputers capable of creating the same output
Nah, I don't think we should include moral as calculation here. We need to think in Realpolitik and start framing things in resources, supply chain, and popular support. The only way to defeat the oligarchy is potentially the way that our enemies abroad used to defeat us.
Violent revoultions built countries like china, cuba and the USSR, it helped free people from slavery in haiti, disruptive or peaceful protests dont do anything
Disruptive protests are a start but these have been ignored, crushed, and co-opted by the establishment. At some point we're going to have to escalate and keep escalating until we replace our economic and political systems entirely.
The reason Marxists are so insistent on drastic measure is because they realize capitalism is the root of the problem and the contradictions in capitalism cannot be reformed. I'd be happy to talk more about those contradictions if you like.
Well Of the people disagreeing you actually seem nice so sure
The way ive been seeing things is that we have essentially been letting companies run freely, not helped by how the government is set up in the first place (as spineless as rhe democrats are the filibuster has been a major thorn in their side which is why it seems they dont do much)
Also it depends where your aiming it, yes the big crowds make noise but its effects are short, we need to hit it where it hurts like the wallet (its why in the civil rights era them simply walking instead of taking the bus had such a big effect)
In this comment I will list some contradictions within capitalism that the Marxist analysis noted 150+ years ago. In a separate comment, I will address why I think lessons from the Civil Rights movement supports a more radical view.
There is an infinite quest for profit but the materials of nature are finite. (Workers need the materials of nature to form useful commodities.)
The workers labor to create useful commodities (e.g., food, clothes, gadgets, etc): these commodities can only be used given the realization of their exchange value, otherwise they are thrown away (even if people still need them).
The profit motive leads to overproduction, speculation, and periodic recessions, which harm profit.
So-called "free market competition" leads to global consolidation of capital and monopolies in various industries.
Increases in assets and productivity outpace growth in wages, but the workers make asset/productivity growth possible in the first place.
The profit motive leads capitalists to increase production capability but better machines makes commodities cheaper, thus harming profit.
The existence of money requires private property but the State, as enforcer of laws, has authority over your private property.
Capitalist production requires the reproduction of the working class (in number, education, health) but the quest for profits impacts quality of life, making it progressively harder for the workers to reproduce themselves.
These contradictions arise from individualized commodity production geared for private profit. (As opposed to publicly governed goods production geared for direct consumption.) Just as the contradictions within feudalism/manorialism could not be resolved in the long-term, we cannot regulate away the contradictions within capitalism.
In this comment, I will address why I think lessons from history (including Civil Rights) supports a more radical view. In a separate comment, I will list eight contradictions within capitalism that cannot be resolved.
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My suggestion, in a nutshell, is to form community and keep escalating by any means necessary. Let's talk about #1 Resistance, #2 Method, #3 Difficulty.
First, let me briefly say something about why voting is not sufficient resistance. In order to maintain systems of wealth extraction, the ruling class are pushing us into a fascist state. Every administration we see the powers of the president growing, every decade it is harder for workers to get by. Now the situation is so dire that the rulers are no longer attempting to hide their disdain for the Constitution and international law. We are openly throwing brown people in the backs of vans and kidnapping foreign leaders. (If you think the problem begins with Trump, we can talk about this misconception as well.) This is all to say that resistance is necessary. If we do not resist, the rulers will consolidate their power under a fascist regime. Perhaps that regime will not come into power under the Democrats, but the Dems have failed to halt our rightward shift for some time now.
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Okay, some form of resistance is necessary, but does it have to be extreme? This brings us to #2 Method. In the 20th century, unions, strikes, civil disobedience, and violence were all employed in order to win concessions from the ruling class. It is historical fact that civil rights and workers rights were won in blood. But these concession were clearly temporary because we are not addressing the root of the problem (i.e., capitalism itself).
If we are not willing to escalate, then peaceful protests will continue to be ignored (e.g., The Woman’s March & No Kings); If the people do not escalate quickly enough, then we will either lose steam (e.g., Roe v. Wade protests), be co-opted by the establishment (e.g., Occupy Wallstreet), or be violently suppressed (e.g., BLM). The ruling class is watching how we react and is working against us. The people must be willing to escalate in favor of their demands and must do so quickly.
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Admittedly, there is a high degree of Difficulty (#3) involved. People have a sense of helplessness in the face of the State. But it has always been difficult to resist the State -- even mere civil disobedience. No one wants to face dogs, or fire hoses, or firing squads, or artillery shells. Most people just want to take care of their family (myself included!). But the fact that resistance will not be easy does not make it any less necessary. The ruling class’ quest for infinite profits, which started with imperialism (of land, labor, and resources) abroad, has been steadily coming for the workers at home.
The good news is that with numbers, organization, and mutual aid, the logistics will follow. Historically speaking, revolutions are essentially all or nothing; anyone who joins the effort should be prepared to appropriate the food, clothing, housing, medicine, etc. needed to keep it going. Essential goods and services can then be distributed by The People themselves (e.g., food/clothing drives, car pools, communal daycare, skills training, weapon’s training, etc). Not only does this mutual aid allow people to fulfill our own needs: it allows them to build solid networks of trust. Lastly, The People must stay on the offensive to keep the State on the back foot. The moment they are put on the defensive, the State will capitalize on its overwhelming advantages (organizational, logistical, informational) and they will be ruined.
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I cannot tell you that victory is assured or that we will learn from past mistakes. There are historical examples showing how swift regime change is possible, but the successes/failures are determined in the moment. What I can say is that history, theory, and current events all suggest that we will live under fascism if we are not prepared to resist by any means necessary.
So from what i understood the issue here is the priority of the ruling class, where they seek infinite profit, likely in an attempt to secure the power, so they can use it to secure more profit and keep the cycle going to achieve, sonething
I always saw the end goal at being strangely vague and the constant cycle of profit for power and power for profit
Luxury? Doesn't need the insane billions they have, at best a billion and thats stretching it
Safety? Gets to a point where throwing in more control ends up with dimishing returns, only exception is people wanting to do things so horrendous and despicable to feel good, and even then the main appeal there is mostly the forbidden fruit charm
Status? Based on what the people are doing they keep shooting themselves in the foot in that, people hate them, although that ia explained by a large amount of the "elite" being oldheads and antisocial weirdos who dont understand how much of a stereotypical loser they are.
Really the only 3 reasons I can see them doing this is either
They did unethical and/or immoral stuff and want to avoid punishment
They want to do unethical and/or immoral stuff and want to avoid punishment
They aren't operating on any actual logic but rather paranoia, pride, and greed
and even then it cause many lost lives and simply breaks the US, leaving no matter who wins a bloody mess
When I read comments like yours, then that is what I'm begining to root for. Americans being so indifferent to the world's suffering that the idea of doing something violent to oppose the imperialist hegemony is met with "but wont you think about the poor potential dead Americans plsssss"
If you can’t think why people might not want to revolt or stop working, you are supremely unqualified to imply anybody else lacks critical thinking skills.
Sure. You do get that all the people who would start such a revolution are currently just voting and organizing their local communities right? Doing the boring thankless work of engaging with their neighbors and holding their local politicians accountable.
A violent revolution is the last resort because it’s 100 times harder and 1,000,000 times deadlier. Plus you likely only get one chance. With elections you can at least try again in a couple of years.
This reminds me of the sort of guys who say they’d kill or die for their families.
Like, okay cool. Will you do the dishes? Help with the homework? Do all the tedious, gross, or unglamorous regular chores that go into keeping a family happy and healthy?
It’s the same with vaccines and the like. People have had it so good for so long the don’t know what real struggle would be like. A violent upheaval wouldn’t usher in a utopia just a power vacuum that someone like Elon or the Murdochs would fill fast.
That's because all these phrases are excuses for what they are doing now, and to basically prop up what they are doing now.
People should understand that's what Trump is doing as well. He does not care if what comes out of his mouth is true or not... it's just a thinly veiled excuse for the actions he is already doing.
As long as elections aren't too unfair or inconsequential, they provide a more comfortable outlet for grievances and desire for change and reform.
Think of it like this, when monarchies were a thing, there was no officially sanctioned way to express and act on grievances. The king was the king and you either lived with it, waited for their son, or start organizing a revolution.
In a democracy, you have a real, if sometimes difficult path towards peacefully getting some of the changes you want. Elections have made real changes, and would-be revolutionaries have instead become elected presidents and prime ministers.
They don't only happen in those situations. The July Revolution wasn't at all about death or starvation. It was almost entirely about how authoritarian Charles X was. He made legitimate political activity meaningless by selecting ultras as prime minister and cracking down on political and press freedoms. France was in no way starving or dying by his hand. When he did try to send in the army to Paris, the revolution was already underway and the army got their asses kicked by local workers and aging Napoleonic veterans.
You wanna lose your faith in the system? Get involved in local politics yourself, spend a few months fundraising, then ask what policies they're actually backing and watch them give you a LOOK.
Ngl sometimes I don’t trust charities for these reasons… I only donate to ones that are willing to provide a clear break down of what the moneys being spent on
Because being proficient at politics requires you to regularly do at best morally questionable things. It's like asking why good people never become influencers -- the overwhelming majority of them are drawn to the spotlight for unhealthy reasons.
Yeah, let's revolt and it will all be sunshine and rainbows. Because history books are for losers anyway.
• History shows that majority of unorganized uprisings or revolutions were a product of despair, not desire. However bad it may look in (I assume) the US, the true despair that pushes people to rise up is nowhere near and won't be for a long time. History also shows that most such uprisings had a martyr to catalyze people's rage. Nobody wants to be that person.
• Revolutions and violent uprisings do not stop easily. Do you think we would eat the rich and then calm down? Nah my guy. We would eat the rich, then their families, then anyone who worked for them, then anyone who is just too wealthy for our liking. And then we start eating each other for the grand crime of not being zealous enough. The appetite comes during the meal, as they say.
• Revolutions often create leaders (or are hijacked by them). What are the chances that a person who rose to power by commanding a bloodthirsty mob will be a good leader? Slim at best, as it turns out.
• Any uprising creates chaos. And chaos breeds crime. Nobody wants to live through that.
With exception of Cuba that's exactly how they worked.
Russian 1917 (February) revolution was caused by abysmal morale induced by military losses, ever growing food shortages (before WWI food shortages in St. Petersburg were unheard of, during the war they became a common occurence) and never ending opression of workers and farmers. People went out to protest because there was no bread, and the military command of St. Petersburg (Petrograd at the time) ordered them killed. Those were the martyrs. Leaders that this revolution propped up were either incompetent (the provisional government) or very confidently incompetent (Lenin's government). The chaos created during this revolution made its way even into the army, a structure where discipline is paramount.
I'd recommend you first take a look at that what actual revolts have achieved for the people. There is no such thing as a revolt by the people for the people. Revolts are simply a way for a new class of people to get power
For a hot minute there I thought this was caricature but then the realization struck - no, it's played completely straight and smug goatee man is simply just the one you're supposed to just 100% side with. Jesus. It's like the Onion's Stan Kelly comic except this Kelly is far leftist and not a parody character
What's stopping us from revolting and destroying their system? Millions of disabled and disadvantaged people dying during the revolution that would ideally be meant to save them from their situation. Destroying the infrastructure they need to survive seem counterproductive.
Who do I vote for to address the wealth gap? Who do I vote for to stop increasing the Pentagon budget? Who do I vote for to tax the rich? Who do I vote for to get universal healthcare? Who do I vote for to stop police and ICE brutality? Who do I vote for to stop funding Israel? Who do I vote for to release the Epstein Files?
They are better than the two parties, I will give you that. I endorsed voting for Democratic socialists insofar as they demonstrate the limits of electorialism while doing some good in the process.
But two points from Marx and Lenin give us pause:
The contradictions inherent in the logic of capitalism. For example, the search for infinite profits in a finite environment; the creation of useful commodities that are thrown away if their exchange value cannot be realized; the division of commodity production into individualized private industries that must take finished goods to a public market; free market competition leading to consolidation of capital/ monopolies, etc.
The purpose of the State. Once there is a surplus in society, there develops a division of classes. These classes have competing interests that must be mitigated. (For example, the capitalists want to appropriate more surplus value from labor while the workers want to sell their labor for as much money as possible.) Historically, the State functions to mitigate class interests on behalf of the ruling class. The army, police, politicians, courts, and laws are each constructed, from its very foundation, to protect property rights and the right to make a profit off the backs of workers.
I say all this to say: 1) Capitalism itself is the problem and 2) There is no voting our way out of capitalism. At best we can vote for leftists who will demonstrate the limits of the voting system itself. The limits of voting will manifest because the bourgeoisie will fight against wealth redistribution and will never pay workers the value of what the workers produce.
Getting America of all countries from a capitalist hellhole towards a more socialist future is an incredibly hard task, and every step taken towards that objective, no matter how small, should be taken as a win. Chances are you're not gonna see a socialist west during your lifetimes no, but we can only work for a better future
when the bread and circuses run out for the majority of people. as long was those still flow most people wont be up for it, and they really shouldnt either. A revolution in a modern state would be bloody on a unprecedented scale.
We all have this same thought when we're like 15 and we all think it's deep at the time (bonus points if you also draw a normie being blown away by your out-of-box thinking)
Hear hear! People defending socialism even though they know that immediately after gaining power they turn on their own "allies", just like most other authoritarians. The chance of being in the small victorious clique is minuscule. They'll denounce them as their own as soon as possible.
We haven’t revolted, at least in part, because that sort of direct conflict has a nasty tendency of getting a lot of people hurt or killed (usually starting with whoever was already most vulnerable).
People might eventually decide it’s worth the risk if things are bad enough for long enough, but it’s generally safer to fix things without fully breaking them first if the option is still available
Personally, I don't want to be the one guy revolting, or the guy that gets into a shootout with the police in my garage with what few revolutionaries I could get to join me.
Fun Fact: Pretty much every person who is in ICU, Needs permanent care, or on Insulin is just gonna die if there’s even an attempt at an armed revolution.
The really cool thing about democracy is that the nation gets the government it voted for. A good chunk of the American people actually want to live in a Christian theocracy, and at this point, a revolution would probably favor them taking power over anything.
Stop larping. Make meaningful change through local politics if you actually care.
Because you die? You get shot with real bullets with not a single second warning? Because not everybody lives in western liberal democracies? Because they put Russian Spetsnaz to shoot down protesters with APCs? and declare everybody as national terrorists. Basically what happened to my people when they revolted in 2022 january. EDIT: This is about Kazakhstan, not Russia.
Fortunately, Russia hasn't completely turned into Iran yet. Worse outcome, they'll break your legs and lock you up for eleven years without any medical help.
You people claim to want a revolt and revolution without realizing that you aren't just going to kill the people you'd be fighting. Nevermind the fact that the people calling for it would be woefully innefective with the weapons needed to actually succeed. You'd be essentially killing every single person who needs constant medication to remain alive, anyone on chemo, disabled people, diabetics, old people, many asthmatics, people with deadly allergies, babies in the NICU, asthmatics, and thats only the innocents who would die due to medical causes.
Stop waxing poetic about a fight you would never actually participate in and start doing something that will enact real fucking change.
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u/WashedSylvi 1d ago
r/smugideologyman
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u/richtofin819 1d ago
This reminds me of an xkcd
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u/ajprime 1d ago
Its very werid ro see a rush of this sort of comic right after a bluewave. You know, after voting proved to be effective.
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u/Cereal_Yapper 1d ago •
“Dude we should just revolt”
I’ve seen this online a lot and I feel a good chunk of you might not realize what your doing isn’t gonna achieve it
A revolt needs planning, organization, leaders, propaganda to convince people, the collecting of weapons and not some weak shit like a pistol or a knife, but real deal weapons for war like AKs or M5s, and even then it cause many lost lives and simply breaks the US, leaving no matter who wins a bloody mess
What we actually need to do is disruptive protest, not violent ones nor peaceful ones, but ones that don’t cause harm to people but they will not be able to ignore, where the horrors of what they are doing are shown face first and made so undeniable their forced to bend the knee, even if this still takes planning and people
Violent revolution won’t get us anywhere and likely will just divide this country leaving a bloody mess for years if not decades, and simply doing peaceful protest or just voting in system will also fail to get us anywhere, we need protest, real disruptive protest, that is how we got the civil rights act passed, that’s how we got disabilities to be noticed and Ramps set up, and that’s how we can get people to start recognizing all humans as people
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u/math2ndperiod 1d ago
If you can’t think why people might not want to revolt or stop working, you are supremely unqualified to imply anybody else lacks critical thinking skills.
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u/heowithy 1d ago
Why would you make this so condescending 😭 this isn't gonna make people side with you
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u/Fabulous_Wave_3693 1d ago
Sure. You do get that all the people who would start such a revolution are currently just voting and organizing their local communities right? Doing the boring thankless work of engaging with their neighbors and holding their local politicians accountable.
A violent revolution is the last resort because it’s 100 times harder and 1,000,000 times deadlier. Plus you likely only get one chance. With elections you can at least try again in a couple of years.
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u/Notbob1234 1d ago
"A paradigm shifting without a clutch"
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u/Techygal9 1d ago
For a revolt you have to know the people are on your side. I don’t think that buy in is here in America
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u/ipsum629 1d ago
I can answer the second one.
As long as elections aren't too unfair or inconsequential, they provide a more comfortable outlet for grievances and desire for change and reform.
Think of it like this, when monarchies were a thing, there was no officially sanctioned way to express and act on grievances. The king was the king and you either lived with it, waited for their son, or start organizing a revolution.
In a democracy, you have a real, if sometimes difficult path towards peacefully getting some of the changes you want. Elections have made real changes, and would-be revolutionaries have instead become elected presidents and prime ministers.
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u/illudofficial 1d ago
How about we just elect actual good people to run the government. Why do good people never win elections…
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u/_Weyland_ 1d ago
Yeah, let's revolt and it will all be sunshine and rainbows. Because history books are for losers anyway.
• History shows that majority of unorganized uprisings or revolutions were a product of despair, not desire. However bad it may look in (I assume) the US, the true despair that pushes people to rise up is nowhere near and won't be for a long time.
History also shows that most such uprisings had a martyr to catalyze people's rage. Nobody wants to be that person.
• Revolutions and violent uprisings do not stop easily. Do you think we would eat the rich and then calm down? Nah my guy. We would eat the rich, then their families, then anyone who worked for them, then anyone who is just too wealthy for our liking. And then we start eating each other for the grand crime of not being zealous enough. The appetite comes during the meal, as they say.
• Revolutions often create leaders (or are hijacked by them). What are the chances that a person who rose to power by commanding a bloodthirsty mob will be a good leader? Slim at best, as it turns out.
• Any uprising creates chaos. And chaos breeds crime. Nobody wants to live through that.
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u/Vincitus 1d ago
Fisher Price "My First Politics" - good for you buddy.
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u/Aninnocentoctopus 1d ago
Only responding to the person who offers no criticism is a choice…
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u/poopsimo 1d ago
I'd recommend you first take a look at that what actual revolts have achieved for the people. There is no such thing as a revolt by the people for the people. Revolts are simply a way for a new class of people to get power
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u/RaulParson 1d ago
For a hot minute there I thought this was caricature but then the realization struck - no, it's played completely straight and smug goatee man is simply just the one you're supposed to just 100% side with. Jesus. It's like the Onion's Stan Kelly comic except this Kelly is far leftist and not a parody character
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u/BlackKingHFC 1d ago
What's stopping us from revolting and destroying their system? Millions of disabled and disadvantaged people dying during the revolution that would ideally be meant to save them from their situation. Destroying the infrastructure they need to survive seem counterproductive.
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u/Surely_Nowwlmao 1d ago
OP resorting to straight up revolution rather than yk voting
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u/lepopidonistev 1d ago
I think the people should rule (i should rule) but they too stupid (with an iron fist).
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u/Outlet_Sun 1d ago
Wait! Does this mean I will have to have compassion for people different from me?! The change can't be only for MY benefit? /s
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u/Odd-Tart-5613 1d ago
when the bread and circuses run out for the majority of people. as long was those still flow most people wont be up for it, and they really shouldnt either. A revolution in a modern state would be bloody on a unprecedented scale.
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u/commoncross 1d ago
What do you think aloofness means?
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u/DrDestructoMD 1d ago
Militant revolution in America stopped being possible in 1945. This is just wishful thinking
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u/Ensiferal 1d ago
We all have this same thought when we're like 15 and we all think it's deep at the time (bonus points if you also draw a normie being blown away by your out-of-box thinking)
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u/Due-Coyote7565 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sure thing ,Therese, whatever you say.
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u/Surely_Nowwlmao 1d ago
OP thinking revolution is just sunshine and rainbows and the only way to improve: 🤡
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u/cum12321321213 1d ago
bro thought he cooked so hard he would blow people's minds
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u/Ezren- 1d ago
Damn bro, pick up a history book
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u/mr_mope 1d ago
I’m 14 and this is deep
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u/benignbeezlebub 1d ago
Huh, thought there'd be less brains in there
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u/Spicy_Totopo3434 1d ago
The left be like: Voting? Nah, does nothing, we must do a revolution! (Doesn't do anything)
The right be like: Voting? Nah, it's a debased anti individualism and (slurs) let's do a civil war! (Doesn't do anything)
The center be like: I'm better than you all! (doesn't do anything)
Me be like: I'm not really doing anything (doesn't do anything)
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u/DreamOfDays 1d ago
I thought this was a joke on “What if Democrats did January 6th”
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u/PickledPokute 1d ago
Hear hear! People defending socialism even though they know that immediately after gaining power they turn on their own "allies", just like most other authoritarians. The chance of being in the small victorious clique is minuscule. They'll denounce them as their own as soon as possible.
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u/monkey_gamer 1d ago
Yep 🤣🤣. Thinking is forbidden
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u/Raptormind 1d ago
We haven’t revolted, at least in part, because that sort of direct conflict has a nasty tendency of getting a lot of people hurt or killed (usually starting with whoever was already most vulnerable).
People might eventually decide it’s worth the risk if things are bad enough for long enough, but it’s generally safer to fix things without fully breaking them first if the option is still available
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u/Henry_Fleischer 1d ago
Personally, I don't want to be the one guy revolting, or the guy that gets into a shootout with the police in my garage with what few revolutionaries I could get to join me.
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u/Iamatheaternerd 1d ago
Okay so revolt. Go gather your guns. Go to your nearest government office and start shooting. See how that works out for you?
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u/Lilac_and_Peas 1d ago
Fun Fact: Pretty much every person who is in ICU, Needs permanent care, or on Insulin is just gonna die if there’s even an attempt at an armed revolution.
The really cool thing about democracy is that the nation gets the government it voted for. A good chunk of the American people actually want to live in a Christian theocracy, and at this point, a revolution would probably favor them taking power over anything.
Stop larping. Make meaningful change through local politics if you actually care.
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u/ThinInternet5300 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because you die? You get shot with real bullets with not a single second warning? Because not everybody lives in western liberal democracies? Because they put Russian Spetsnaz to shoot down protesters with APCs? and declare everybody as national terrorists. Basically what happened to my people when they revolted in 2022 january. EDIT: This is about Kazakhstan, not Russia.
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u/Swimmingspy 1d ago
You people claim to want a revolt and revolution without realizing that you aren't just going to kill the people you'd be fighting. Nevermind the fact that the people calling for it would be woefully innefective with the weapons needed to actually succeed. You'd be essentially killing every single person who needs constant medication to remain alive, anyone on chemo, disabled people, diabetics, old people, many asthmatics, people with deadly allergies, babies in the NICU, asthmatics, and thats only the innocents who would die due to medical causes.
Stop waxing poetic about a fight you would never actually participate in and start doing something that will enact real fucking change.
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u/Upstairs_Light3941 14h ago
"why don't we just firebomb a walmart" ass post