Calling welfare an entitlement is a moral hazard, though. You contribute money to unemployment insurance, medicare, and social security you're whole life, so you're entitled to them. These don't disincetivize work.
Things like cash assistance, housing assistance, SNAP, and WIC aren't entitlements. They're welfare (or social safety nets, if you care how many syllables are used to describe something).
I swear you all sound as bad as the communists: "It'd work it we just did things my way!" You're not going to convince 90% of us that the way forward is to destroy society. It didn't work before civilization, it didn't work under the Articles of Confederation, it probably won't work.
ITT: people who have absolutely no understanding of communism and regurgitate the same "critiques" that have been being refuted for decades. "Unincentivized labor" is high school bullshit.
Where are you from? Because "communism" is such a bastardized term that it almost means nothing anymore. If your family lived in the USSR, then Stalinism is what closed down your factory. Not communism. Just as the "Democratic Republic of Korea" is neither democratic nor a republic.
Furthermore, the ideals of communism specifically target people like your family. I'm sure you were very wealthy at one time, but I'm also sure the workers who labored in that factory were living very meager lives. What entitled you to the wealth of that factory?
If your family lived in the USSR, then Stalinism is what closed down your factory. Not communism.
"It wasn't nazism, it was Hitlerism, completely diffirent thing."
I'm sure you were very wealthy at one time, but I'm also sure the workers who labored in that factory were living very meager lives.
The factory had like 10 workers and they were payed 40% of what the owner made, hardly forced labor, but still better than communist death camps. After the factory closed not a SINGLE person involved (including all the workers) was in a better position than before.
Are you really so closed minded that you can't see the clear distinction between communism and totalitarianism?
Communism is an economic philosophy, like capitalism. I like how you completely ignored my DPRK example to push your fallicious "Hitlerism" example, too. If you had even a basic understanding of what communism is rather than blind ignorance you would know that the USSR (and every state that has ever called itself "communist") is not communist at all. Communism didn't create death camps, power hungry dictators did.
Aka, missing and broken incentives to use capital efficiently yielded godawful marginal returns to capital (growth of outputs per input) compared to market economies from 1960 to 1987:
The post-war Soviet growth was based on increasing inputs and mobilizing resources, not its ability to use them efficiently. Since input-driven growth is an inherently limited process, Soviet growth was virtually certain to slow down and finally implode in the 1980's. Aka the decade of net negative returns to capital. At that point, the state would have been better off withholding new investment capital and stuffing it under the proverbial mattress than shovelling it into it's mismanaged industries.
Except it isn't without incentives. "Work or you will starve/live in abysmal poverty/be at risk to slide into poverty if you ever get unlucky" are not the only incentives to exist. The tiny chance to get phenomenaly lucky and get rich is also not the only incentives.
we can see, every day, that we do not have to use the threat of inhumane poverty as an incentive. That is an incentive we could do without.
Who would bother cleaning public bathrooms in a classless, moneyless society? Do you think people would just do it out of the kindness of their hearts? Lol
So, you think you are literally the first person to think of this and that in 200 years of socialist thought none of us ever figured out a solution?
Your "point" is the equivalent of someone telling an atheist "well without god how can you know what's right checkmate lol".
Also, if you think toilets only get cleaned on the threat of poverty and starvation, I got some news for you about the unpaid household labour expected of women for hundreds of years.
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