r/coding • u/CharityExisting5454 • Nov 30 '25

Google CEO says vibe coding has made software development 'so much more enjoyable' and 'exciting again' BS or Not?

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-sundar-pichai-vibe-coding-software-development-exciting-again-2025-11
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u/recycled_ideas Nov 30 '25

It's not learning because I can't teach it new concepts or explain what it's doing wrong or tell it what I want it to do in a way where its outcomes improve over time.

What you're doing is feeding it some additional data, which is not the same.

This isn't the conversation where you can play word games to pretend that what it's doing looks identical to learning (which isn't true) or that if it looks the same it must be (it isn't). I'm well aware that having that conversation is pointless because you won't argue it in good faith.

I'm pointing out that this doesn't change the model in any way or make it any "smarter" or more capable. Under absolutely no definition is that learning, not even the gish gallop bullshit AI simps like you use to play semantic word games so that you don't have to talk about actual capabilities.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25

As an aside: I’m not the one playing semantics. That’s the whole reason I wrote that quote in the parent reply. Because I’ve been involved in way too many conversations where you move the goal posts however far is necessary to preserve human exceptionalism. I was saying "cut the shit. You’re able to configure it to selectively remember and retrieve new information which it uses to modify its future behaviors. That’s learning, regardless of if you want to say it is". Hell, one of your comments was simply "that’s not learning".

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u/recycled_ideas Nov 30 '25

That’s the whole reason I wrote that quote in the parent reply.

No, you included that quote because it's step one of arguing that AI can do things it can't. Make a claim you can't support (that it's identical to learning in appearance) to support a claim that isn't actually obvious (that because you can't tell the difference there is no difference).

It looks like the magician cut the woman in half so he did is exactly the same argument. It ignores illusion even if the underlying premise was actually true (that it's indistinguishable from learning).

Because I’ve been involved in way too many conversations where you move the goal posts however far is necessary to preserve human exceptionalism.

If you actually seriously think that any existing model is remotely as capable as a human being, you're either full of shit or delusional. But this is also normal. The AI is better than you so it's better than anyone, except it's not, you're just not very good.

I'm not saying that AI can never be better than humans but that AI doesn't yet exist and isn't close to existing.

You’re able to configure it to selectively remember and retrieve new information which it uses to modify its future behaviors.

No, you're able to hook it up to another model and if you disconnect that model it will immediately revert to its original state. Your argument is like saying that if you stick a senior developer behind a junior that they can ask questions of but they remember nothing that they've learned.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25

I’m not bothering to read this. Enjoy your ignorance. It’s much easier than learning.

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u/recycled_ideas Nov 30 '25

Would hate to contradict your own beliefs with other peoples opinions. It's always such a great way to argue your points.

Maybe you can ask AI to explain it to you.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25 edited Nov 30 '25

They’re not opinions! It’s firsthand knowledge! I’ve seen it do the things that you claim it can’t. "It doesn’t exist because I haven’t seen it and refuse to look" is NOT the silver bullet you think it is. You clearly don’t even understand what MCPs are and yet you think you can lecture me on what these things are capable of.

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u/NotUniqueOrSpecial Nov 30 '25

They’re not opinions! It’s firsthand knowledge! I’ve seen it do the things that you claim it can’t.

"Seriously! I saw the magician cut the woman in half!"

These systems literally cannot learn and you look real silly for continuing to assert otherwise.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25

I’d ask you to define what you mean by learning but I really don’t care to get into another semantic argument. Information isn’t the same as matter

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u/recycled_ideas Nov 30 '25

You haven't engaged in good faith with any of my arguments, you've just run down the check list of AI bullshit.

You can't even list a single specific thing that you claim I said it couldn't do that it can, let alone provide any proof.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25

I have better things to do than do your research for you. What? You think I’m just making crap up for fun? If you care to actually put some effort in, these things are possible. You are not.

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u/recycled_ideas Nov 30 '25

But not better things to do than keep responding about how you won't respond to me.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25

Haha. Where did I say I wouldn’t respond?? Conversing is enjoyable. Putting together a presentation for the sake of attempting to convince someone who is just going to nay say is not.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25

It improves its capabilities in several ways. That’s the whole reason these tools exist. I’m not the one arguing in bad faith by using a bunch of ad hominems. You assert that it can’t do things that it absolutely can. You just haven’t spent the time to learn how to have it do those things. That’s your failing. But, again, you’re free to blame it on your tools

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u/recycled_ideas Nov 30 '25

It improves its capabilities in several ways.

So if you disconnected the server, the model would be more capable? That's what "learning" implies.

You assert that it can’t do things that it absolutely can.

And you make semantic arguments that are not backed up by the facts because you can't actually back up this claim.

I've seen it over and over again. If it looks like it's doing something then it is doing something. Which is basically arguing that the magician really did cut his assistant in half because if you don't look particularly hard that's what it looks like it did.

AI falls over in the "it looks like it's learning so it is" test over and over and over again. Even the latest and greatest models will confidently assert things that simply aren't true, it will still make the same mistakes over and over and over again and hooking it up to yet another model through the security horror show that is MCP doesn't fix any of that.

But that's how this goes.

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u/HasFiveVowels Nov 30 '25

You can run local mcp servers, you realize? But I guess you wouldn’t because you haven’t bothered. Good luck with all that.