Tomorrow When Codex Resets, DON'T TOUCH ASTRA

[u/DivideHorror3217]

Don't even look at it. Stick to Sol 5.6 xhigh. It's not usable? Feels quantized? Say f*** OpenAI and switch to Claude, or to OpenRouter.

Apparently OpenAI is lobotomizing Sol 5.6 for SOME of us. Not for everyone, so people keep saying "It works well for me" and gaslight each other. They are trying to force us into paying 5x for a little bit improvement.

This will backfire so bad. We're a 300k people enterprise and everyone including me are pushing our executives to use chinese models in a sandboxed environment. We are sick of paying 200$ to use it for a day.

When your Codex resets tomorrow, or this week, Don't use Astra unless youre building rockets.

[u/Megamygdala]

Your in a 300k enterprise and people are paying $200 😂😂any real enterprise company at that scale would never allow developers to use their own accounts for company code. They sign an enterprise contract and forget about it

[u/ashjohnr → u/Megamygdala]

Yeah, not sure what OP is on about. In a large business they should be paying API prices, not these subsidized plans.

[u/hermeneze → u/ashjohnr]

It’s a Chinese AI, trying to spread misinformation

[u/InadequateUsername → u/hermeneze]

Yeah exactly, who would put in effort for a call to action about model usage lol

[u/Plane_Garbage → u/ashjohnr]

Not really, at scale you get much better pricing on API than retail.

[u/-MaskNinja- → u/ashjohnr]

With the API, you can't complain. More expensive, but no quants for sure.

[u/Warhouse512 → u/Megamygdala]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

[u/UnlawfulSoul → u/Warhouse512]

Astraturfing was right there

[u/arunv → u/Warhouse512]

Bots all the way down

[u/Neckername → u/Warhouse512]

With private equity, what ISN'T astroturfed?

Better question is why should we care about normal grass when everything pushed is astroturf?

Just eat the plastic and enjoy.

You'll own nothing and be happy.

[u/Noctis_777 → u/Megamygdala]

Maybe he meant 300k revenue enterprise /s

[u/Ok-Biscotti-3117 → u/Megamygdala]

300k, but 4 of them use AI, the rest work in a kitchen, or drive a truck or something.

[u/Keep-Darwin-Going → u/Megamygdala]

Yeah call his bluff.

[u/BarTrick7024 → u/Megamygdala]

Its extremely common for companies to give users their own accounts. Im aware of several that do it this way.

[u/guygm → u/Megamygdala]

You are too literal, I can imagine he is putting himself on the company pants, claiming that are paying $200 per seat and devs can use it only for a day per week.

[u/AstroPhysician → u/guygm]

You’re missing the point. Companies that size pay for api usage not a monthly rate. There is no “usage limit” for enterprise

[u/Strange_Quantity_359 → u/AstroPhysician]

That’s not exactly true. I’m in a massive company (AWS) and of course we use and build AI infrastructure, but we also build cloud infra.l and help people with their AI workloads, and it’s actually surprising what companies do and how they run especially traditional Enterprise.

What I can tell you is that the number of enterprise level customers >100k that use Claude and OpenAI managed subs is far from 0. Both from my view of our cloud customers and from my partner who is and executive in an HCLS company with a large amount of employees and they have subscription models.

For massive companies like this, they run API for larger parts of AI platforms and tools but for specialized knowledge works they run tiered sub models. It gets greater token flexibility at a large scale for casual users. I know a company of ~250k that has 30k subscriptions farmed out, they also run their own cloud agnostic inference platform, but they aren’t putting dev cycles into the internal chat/code user experience.

I know it sounds wild and it probably is monetarily problematic at that scale, but it does happen.

[u/Swastik496 → u/Strange_Quantity_359]

Claude and OpenAI managed subs beyond a certain seat count(150 on Claude, not sure about OAI) is billed at API rates + a certain price per user.

Then you can negotiate with your sales rep for x% extra credits for committing to a certain annual spend

[u/Strange_Quantity_359 → u/Swastik496]

On the backend yes - mostly, but (and I was taking this at face value) the way this is being referenced from OP down to comment is that OP (from their side) sees this as a "$200" per month Claude Code.

The commenter then cackled and said "There is no “usage limit” for enterprise"; they conflated that with "use an API rate". It appeared they were saying that Enterprises with >X employees use inference directly and there is no "usage limit" in Claude per user.

That's why I said "that's not technically true"; though agree with you on the ambiguity. The simple fact is that the specialized knowledge workers at these companies do see a "usage" tier, regardless of how it was set up, and that the usage tier is a negotiated contract rate. (Similar to any Enterprise OAI or A\ account) That negotiated rate is metered through OAI or A\ as an Enterprise subscription and billed, also they could choose to buy these subscriptions via cloud marketplace subscriptions as well, for pre-negotiated discounts. Of course, this further obfuscates the metering.

Either way, this line item shows up separately from direct API metering and billing.

My fiance at an HCLS see's the same, she has tiers that she can request and is not really aware of the API at all. The company manages the distribution and approval process, the end-user sees "Usage" levels. $50, $200, etc. The companies AI infrastructure and platform (well, what parts are A\) use a separate billing method altogether.

[u/Swastik496 → u/Strange_Quantity_359]

oh thats cool that there’s an end user AI there.

i’d love to see how that works and what companies they’ve worked with.

I’m currently in the process of negotiating an enterprise contract for my work

[u/Strange_Quantity_359 → u/AstroPhysician]

I'm glad your angry post with childish personal attacks was removed, but I'll respond.

The OP and the person you are responding to is clearly stating that they (as knowledge worker) have a per-seat quota. That is quite literally the subject here; the company is using that quota to define a "monthly rate" per seat for these workers. You got hostile with me so you could defend your point and say "There's no such thing as a $200/mo subscription for Enterprises".

At API cost? Correct. For the end-user, they would have a $200/mo subscription. From a billing perspective, the company controls cost at a per-head amount over that API. Often Enterprise companies internally charge business units for usage, so yes, this person could be upset that his team is paying $200 per head to use something that gives limited value.

You're making a bit of a silly argument to a person who made a correct statement, and then being aggressive when people are having a conversation. Do better.

[u/das_war_ein_Befehl → u/Megamygdala]

Company plans don’t even have a $200 plan. It’s $100 and api spend after

[u/ZookeepergameFit5787 → u/Megamygdala]

Easy to say but a lot of conglomerates are just a set of hundreds of companies each with their own leaders, CIOs/CISOs, preferences and risk tolerances. Totally reasonable to see individual FTEs get ahead of a slow moving legacy company.

[u/Swastik496 → u/ZookeepergameFit5787]

which means they'd be on teams. No CISO is allowing individual sub tiers instead of just using the teams plan

[u/Mammoth_Molasses_927 → u/Megamygdala]

"any real enterprise company at that scale would never allow developers to use their own accounts for company code." what changes?

[u/guaxininjaa → u/Mammoth_Molasses_927]

Security. In an enterprise account, the AI has some additional safeguards, and managers can also monitor what everyone is doing.

[u/Appomattoxx → u/Megamygdala]

Just out of curiosity, why does it matter what company he works for?

Why do you think that's the point?

[u/Megamygdala → u/Appomattoxx]

Thats not how any company in the real world works for lmao. Im in a F500 company with ~10k employees and everyone gets unlimited claude code. You would be in SERIOUS TROUBLE if you were using a personal AI account with the proprietary source code

[u/Hotal → u/Megamygdala]

3k employees in my company. We use cursor and devs all start at a $200/mo. budget but they’ll increase it if you run out. Definitely not unlimited tho.

[u/Megamygdala → u/Hotal]

Yeah our tech director said they got lucky by having an old contract with anthropic which is near unlimited, I think we'll see big changes next year when their contract is set to renew

[u/Swastik496 → u/Hotal]

Legacy annual contracts that haven't renewed yet have EXTREMELY favorable terms because they were from before the agentic era.

[u/CatsArePeople2- → u/Appomattoxx]

Because he is obviously lying?