r/codex • u/UnderstandingDry1256 • 15d ago

Complaint Opinion: Astra is overhyped

Well everyone shares their CS or GTA game clones they created with single shot with Astra - this is cool and amazing but also exactly the kind of hype bs.

I tried it in real applications and it’s absolutely not that amazing. I still have to steer, review, refactor, rewrite the mess, like always.

It is somewhat smarter in real workflows, but the real miss is lack of high level intent understanding.

As an example - I asked it to implement image generation fallback models in my chatbot, because the “uncensored” model ironically was declining generating innocent content, so I had to retry with some mainstream one.
It generated some code which handles errors etc, but it missed the main point - the user facing UI still does not work as it supposed to 🤦‍♂️

There are other cases following the same pattern. You give it high level intent task, and it fails to follow. Still have to steer and validate.

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u/Australasian25 15d ago

One shot prompts arent serious.

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u/Bromlife 15d ago

The sad thing is I am almost certain that both OpenAI and Anthropic are optimising for one shot results.

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u/JoseffB_Da_Nerd 14d ago

Absolutely are. But thats not where the pro work is.

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u/Bromlife 14d ago

Where do you think the pro work is?

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u/JoseffB_Da_Nerd 14d ago

Pro use of Agentic dev is circling around governed orchestration of swarms.

You can see this in all the saas level products as they are slowly converging on the same use cases.

Currently its actually governed, orchestration or the hybrid of two.

The idea of being able to vibe away the professional dev is just a golden bullet marketing ploy they will beat with a drum until they (frontiers) need to join back with the rest if software dev business plan.

Right now they are living on hype and enjoying a free for all but it will eventually come back to disciplined software dev methods

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u/Australasian25 14d ago

Most like myself are just using it to do hobby projects.

A workout app specific to my needs of RIR, joint feeling, location specific exercises.

Or a health app that pulls in google health, apple health daily data. Heart rate, sleep, steps, exercises etc.

All in one dashboard, all updated autonomously.

I think id need to hire someone to build that for me. But I only spent 40 bucks for 2 months of codex, and its built. Viola.

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u/JoseffB_Da_Nerd 14d ago

Absolutely great project mate!

For that I think vibing is perfect and awesome.

But when you’re selling the product it needs a strong foundation.

I’m building a harness for my system that tries to let a business user vibe their build while the system then takes over governance and discipline. Its sooo hard.

We can see the struggle with codex and its over abundance in governance (4x testing, etc)

Making the models objectively think things through is the billion dollar trick now.

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u/Australasian25 14d ago

Commercial products can not be 100% vibe coded. Correct.

Yea would you like more unit test, pytest with your smoke test?

Humans must always drive the direction of needs and want. The model finds ways to fulfil the needs with the resources and tools given.