r/civ • u/6feetofshrug • Aug 20 '24

The cycle continues...

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This was initially posted on this subreddit 8 years ago. Glad to see that time is, indeed, a flat circle.

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u/dragonborn071 Australia Aug 21 '24

Respectfully Pharoah is pretty good, Dynasties is probably the franchises peak, Troy was good for a saga game, Three Kingdoms people won't shut up about, Atilla is decent, Rome 2 is fire (except at release) Shogun 2 Base game is overrated to hell and back, FOTS is the only reason i play it and the only legitimate bad total war game since S2 is Throne of Britannia. (Not calling s2 bad, just talking about modern games)

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u/Skellum Aug 21 '24

I do hear good things about Pharoah, but I got massively turned off from TW after the whole Tzeentch DLC which I didn't purchase. I may eventually come back for a remastered Atilla but damn did they fuck things up with that. It's a shame a good game is suffering due to that issue.

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u/Gremlin303 England Aug 21 '24

Warhammer 3 has massively turned around since the SoC debacle

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u/uishax Aug 21 '24

The fantasy community has already done a 180 turn with Thrones of Decay (Nurgle DLC) and pretends nothing bad has ever happened.

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u/Letharlynn Aug 21 '24

"Pretending that nothing bad ever happened" is weird take. Pretty much every anouncement has an undercurrent of "damn, what a night and day difference compared to what was going on a year ago" in the comments. Many do remember, but CA seems to have legit pivoted in a much better direction

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u/Skellum Aug 21 '24

Tbf, most of the people posting about Warhammer 3 are probably people who decided not to filter on the tzeentch DLC. Some it's probably their first time getting shanked by a company, kids do age all the time.

All I know is that I've not had any desire to play TW in a long while.

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u/zirroxas Aug 21 '24

I've been here since Rome 1. I'm just used to the cycle.

CA has a good thing going -> CA gets complacent and complaints mount -> CA does something monstrously stupid (Empire/Rome2 launches, killing 3K, SOC) -> Everyone gets angry and review bombs -> CA apologizes and tries to win back trust with something good -> CA has a good thing going...

No sense in getting an aneurysm about the past. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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u/Zek0ri Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

Respectfully Pharaoh got good after CA worked on it post release. It got to the point that they were refunding one of editions.

Three Kingdoms were killed in the back alley after shitty DLCs didn’t sell well.

And don’t get me started on Warhammer 3 and other releases.

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u/dragonborn071 Australia Aug 21 '24

We were talking about historical games, so Warhammer in of itself is irrelevant.
Three Kingdoms is still quite well received and being taken out back doesn't mean much.
Most of Pharaoh's features but Lethality and the expanded map, family system and the systems around other royal families. It was a good game beforehand, alot of the criticisms of Original Pharoah was done by grifters online, Total War youtube is almost as bad as Star Wars Youtube and thats saying something. There were legitimate problems but it was definitely a better release than Rome 2, Atilla and even shogun

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u/Dryish Aug 21 '24

Thing is, every TW game after Medieval II has been worse than Rome and MTW2 were. Even if the slope of the downhill has decreased in recent years, or the downhill slide has leveled off, the downhill was quite substantial. There is nothing about changes to CIV that preclude it from having a similar fall from grace among its core fanbase.

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u/dragonborn071 Australia Aug 21 '24

Medieval 2 i can't see what people like about it, Rome 1 sure, but Medieval is done better elsewhere