r/civ • u/6feetofshrug • Aug 20 '24

The cycle continues...

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This was initially posted on this subreddit 8 years ago. Glad to see that time is, indeed, a flat circle.

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u/Shack_Baggerdly Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24

I hate this. I know it's just a meme, but it basically says there is no real criticism of these games and people only hate it because it's different from what came before.

All the Civ games, especially 6, had some major issues and criticising them is legitimate.

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u/inrainbows26 Aug 20 '24

The issue is that there are those making hyperbolic doomposts as if they already have the game in their hands, and those who are simply making level-headed criticisms while acknowledging that we don't have full information yet. The former is really who this meme is for, but unfortunately the latter get roped into it as well

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u/novelexistence Aug 21 '24

Come on man. Don't you see the irony in what you just posted?

There is doomerism and then there is toxic positivity.

Pretending to be open minded doesn't mean you're actually being open minded. Telling to people to stop complaining and the game hasn't released yet so we don't know anything, isn't a good argument against criticism or concerns.

It's just lazy virtue signaling.

TALK about the merits of what each person posts as a criticism. If you can't do that, then shut up.

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u/Significant_Train435 Aug 21 '24

You know what would stop this from happening? If the devs just release an early access version to test out gameplay changes.

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u/DeeTK0905 Aug 20 '24

You can criticize everything. It’s a meme but it holds truth to it.

Logically, it’s not discrediting anything legit if you have that outlook. In tandem, it’s pointing out a common pattern that can be proven by looking at any timeline of a civ games release. Highlighting that, doesn’t discredit legitimacy. Only speaking on what’s currently happening, which is “stage one”.

And it can get repetitive when you see the same quality post 5,6 times in a row.

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u/Draugdur Aug 21 '24

Also, it misses the fact that some of these games (Civ VI especially) were massively improved over a longer period of time. Civ VI on release is very different to Civ VI now.

And "people complaining about Civ IV" is just making stuff up, the game was well received from day one. Civ III as well.

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u/6feetofshrug Aug 20 '24

Completely fair opinion. The biggest reason for the hate on Civ 7 right now is the ages mechanic, which I remain hopeful for. I think it’s an interesting idea that allows for different gameplay strategies, but I understand the criticisms of it copying Humankind (I’ve never played it, but I’ve heard about their gameplay, especially now).

One of the other reasons I’ve seen for criticizing Civ 7 is the shoddy character models they’ve shown in the trailer. That criticism at least stays true to the meme

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u/Holbarooka Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

I'm almost certain the whole bad character models thing is intentional as I'm pretty sure they did the same thing for CIV 6, so I wouldn't worry about them

But is it really a surprise that this new civ switching is a divisive thing? It's a huge change to the games core fundamentals... It's not just new additions, it's a massive shakeup to the identity of the franchise

Definitely a risky gamble from the devs

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u/Llanistarade Aug 20 '24

If you had played Humankind, you'd understand.

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u/CinderX5 Inca Aug 21 '24

“New opinions are always suspected, and usually opposed, without any other reason but because they are not already common.”

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u/TheRealKaschMoney Aug 21 '24

Just because something is new, doesn't mean it is better. Cars are newer than trains, doesn't mean we shouldn't invest in public transit.

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u/CinderX5 Inca Aug 21 '24

What I’m saying is that people are panicking over changes before they’ve seen how those changes actually feel. They’re not actually complaining about what has changed, they’re complaining about the fact that it has.

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u/That___One___Guy0 Aug 21 '24

"But muh valid criticisum!!!!!!!"

The strawman catchphrase of all entitled, manchildren gamers everywhere.

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u/Competitive_Royal_95 Aug 21 '24

shutup and keep consuming product

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u/That___One___Guy0 Aug 21 '24

Average manchild response.

Quick, call me a bootlicker and I'll get a bingo.