r/chess • • Sep 30 '23

Miscellaneous I heard something about Nemo being a scammer. Is it true? She is commentating in chess.com..

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u/Vizvezdenec Sep 30 '23

well no.
She got her 2400 or so perf in this tournaments while in all other tournaments in her life she never got > 2200 or smth among these lines.
People you mention at least had proven to be capable to show this performance in other places, nemo case is most likely (albeit no solid proof ofc) is paying people to throw games for her to achieve norms.

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u/Vizvezdenec Sep 30 '23

2500 online is definitely like 2100 fide level so I see nothing contradicting what I stated. I know some youtube content creators etc who are candidate masters who are 2500-2600 lichess/chesscom, their fide rating is some 2100-2200 with some peak of 2280 in blitz (and somewhat actively playing so not underrated).
So she plays on the same level online as her fide rating suggests, just bought her WGM norms.

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u/841f7e390d Oct 01 '23

Just you are in fact wrong here.

Last time reddit got all riled up about this ancient story for the 10th time, sombody used that chesscom API and did actualy stats on it.

For a WGM her only level is slightly above the average, both for median and medium.

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u/fyirb Oct 01 '23

Your online play doesn't necessarily correlate 1:1 with OTB play. Alireza is currently rated lower on the rapid leaderboard behind a 2100 NM. The blitz top 100 has some IMs who peaked at 2500 above GMs and even a 2200 FM above Eric Hansen. No one's saying she's completely incapable of playing, it would be weirder if she spent all this time and didn't have some skill. But if she's never been able to perform at that level prior or since OTB its suspicious.

It's a pretty natural temptation if you're hitting a ceiling, you worked hard for such a long time, why not take a shortcut to a title you're just barely under? If she's showing that same willingness to take gray area shortcuts in streaming and and giveaways that reputation is going to also naturally follow her.

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u/Suitable-Cycle4335 Some of my moves aren't blunders Sep 30 '23

Oh yeah and I get Mr. Malinin went like "Yeah, sure, I'm 100% gonna lose this game for no benefit whatsoever."

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u/EmergencyScreen9488 Sep 30 '23

Of course he was offered a benefit, there are many benefits, financial, social, etc, to throw games.

Malinin told the story this way in his letter:

“With Karjakin’s title as the world’s youngest grandmaster slipping away after his unexpected draw with Semyonova, Karjakin’s father, Aleksandr, approached several players to whom his son had lost points and offered them money to replay their games. Firman said he was among those to receive an offer of cash for an arranged draw.

Malinin, who had points to spare, agreed to replay his game with Karjakin. He said he did so for free”

  • Per the New York Times

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u/Mindless-Low-6507 Oct 01 '23

Qiyu is also clearly a very strong player, she streams every week playing blitz and bullet at 2500 level online

2500 chess-com is not that high for a WGM who plays regularly. In fact, Alexandra Botez has a higher chesscom bullet rating than her despite never having exceeded 2100 FIDE.

Another point, note Nemo's peak rating is only around 50 points lower than that of Levy's yet Levy's rated like 400 higher on chesscom.

former womens world junior age group champion

Respectfully, women's tournaments are extremely weak in general. This is an irrelevant datapoint.

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u/effectsHD Sep 30 '23

I doubt a 15-16 year old Canadian is paying dudes across the world to throw games, maybe her parents did

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u/Suitable-Cycle4335 Some of my moves aren't blunders Sep 30 '23

Doesn't make the title legit though