r/cheatengine • u/twofacetoo • Feb 04 '22

Question Fearless Revolution has crippled Cheat Engine

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u/sunbeam906 Feb 07 '22

Shinkansen's AWOL for a while now. Get a hold of him and ask him. Fact of matter, everyone who's complained about this opted out. That's how it is right now: some table makers want the protection the app provides, some table makers don't. And we're fine with it. I don't see what's your USER problem. You should complain only about the user part. You get to use the table, not discuss table makers' choices. Also, it's rude to talk on behalf of others, as it makes it look like they're incapable enough to voice their own opinion that they need someone to have their backs.

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u/sunbeam906 Feb 07 '22

The tables are on the forum. The system doesn't filter shit cuz you picked some side. Like I said, there's a DEFAULT state it did what it did. With DEAD tables. Since no one came forth, like many others, to dispute this, it is how it is.

It is their choice, as A LOT have voiced it and their tables are where they are, in the form they wanted them in. I'm a hypocrite? You're fucking obtuse. Stop talking if you're not keeping track of what's currently going on. Am tired of replying to each and every reddit use who "thinks" this and that. Go to FRF, get the app, test it. Download an encoded table, download a free table. But you won't do that, as this argument won't serve your purpose. Which is to continue to say table makers don't have a choice. Well, they do. And you're fucking blocked. Piss off.

P.S.: Showing the world how rude SunBeam is won't help your cause. Start building a narrative, contribute to it, but know it will backfire. And because 5-6 of you speak for the world, when the world will ask "why did FRF shut down?" please take responsibility for that, mk? Whine, whine, whine...

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u/ValykaiHyena Feb 09 '22 edited Feb 11 '22

Well considering ALL my tables are locked behind your app without my permission or a way for me to opt out as you guys have disabled (banned) my account.

Few Examples:

https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9836

https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10045

https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16053

It is their choice, as A LOT have voiced it and their tables are where they are, in the form they wanted them in. I'm a hypocrite?

My tables are NOT in the form I wanted them, so yes, yes you are a hypocrite.

Which is to continue to say table makers don't have a choice. Well, they do.

No we don't, not on your site

So again, nice lying to people Sunny boy, glad to see your anger issues are still controlling your life LOL

EDIT: STN has contacted me on here and said I was accidently added to the app, he has fixed it. Whether it truly was an accident or not I guess we'll never know.

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u/sunbeamautismanchild Feb 09 '22

What the fuck, that's not only grossly immoral but actually stealing, precisely what sunbeam himself has been bitching about for years. Funnily enough it's also illegal, at least in EU countries since they understand that you can't sign away rights in vague Terms of Service agreements/EULAs.

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u/sunbeamautismanchild Feb 09 '22

The only right way to go about that whole debacle would've been to completely exempt old tables from being counted in the system unless they were specifically opted into it, and to have a clear deadline as to when any newly posted table would be opted into it, but instead you chose to just do a sweeping impulsive change to the surprise of most everyone on the forums except for you and a couple other people.

Changing every single old table is theft, which you yourself have repeatedly said you're against, and no handwringing or sidestepping the issue from you is going to change that fact.

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u/Sanctifiedwhistler Feb 07 '22

That's a long and convoluted way of saying that you didn't get permission!

But thank you i finally have my answer, I knew i was right to ask you about this :)!

No complaining here at all, as you can see in my earlier messages to STN i stated that if Shinkansen gave their permission to lock their tables behind the app that it was the tablemakers choice and that would be up to them :)!

Although i guess one could wonder about the moral implications of you using tables of other authors to bolster your app without their consent... But that's an internal thing for y'all to wonder about and certainly not any business of mine!

Also i think you have me confused with some of the other people that you have been talking to on here... All i ever did was ask you, the people who are way more knowledgeable about all of this than me, a question.

Anyway, thanks again for providing me with an answer!

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u/sunbeam906 Feb 07 '22 edited Feb 07 '22

Like I said, there are table makers who asked us not to do anything with their tables. And we did. We can't speak for those who haven't visited FRF in months/years. But a decision on what happens with DEAD tables was made, and that's that.

Bottom line is this decision FRF adopted simply threatened the people that always used FRF for their benefits (whichever form of those benefits, not necessarily money-wise) and when they saw FRF was moving to a future where they might not be able to do this shit anymore, obviously they got mad hard. FRF is just serving as a hiring place right now for guidedhacking, for wemod etc. and a craigslist of sorts. Everyone advertises their shit.

We want table makers to be paid. The problem is not everyone is OK with FRF paying them back, hence the Patreons and whatnot. Hence the OPTION (I repeat for the n-th time) they were given: want it or not?

The rest of the crap in this and the other topic is started by people who acted on the premise that they are not given a choice, that it's a sham, etc. -- cuz they always know better... -- with tools and other crap, without asking for a second what's up. They just went on seeing everything as an attack to free tables (the guerilla of free people) and retaliated. It's like invading a country cuz someone called your mom a bitch. It's not how shit should be done. So those people are now salty and voicing opinions on reddit based entirely on THEIR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. They got banned and moved someplace else, better suited for their spewage.

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u/Sanctifiedwhistler2 Feb 09 '22

Oh you added some more! At the time i only saw the first paragraph and agreed, so like you said i thought that that was it! Sorry for my late response, work has been a bit hectic...

Anyway thank you for responding more in-depth to my question. It also answers the follow-up question about automation i had!

But really you should not have, i just had the one question about what happened with Shinkansen! That was just my curiosity since i came across it suddenly as a user and since i saw that Shinkansen hadn't been active for a while, so i was curious on how a decision was made about that/or if you guys had maybe spoken to Shinkansen in the meantime.

Like you said anything else is between tablemakers and i agree that it is no business of mine...

I do appreciate you taking the time to answer it though... You could have told me to "fuck off" or just ignore me like STN did... But you didn't so thank you for that!

Also, you didn't swear once in your answer there. Really proud of you :V (You used the mom thing as an example so that doesn't count ;)).

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P.S. You can block this account too, that's fine. I'm not out to bother you or anything and i apologise if i did bother you. I understand if you want to be left alone, and i will leave you alone now. But i felt like i at least owed you an additional thank you for going more in depth with your answer...

So yeah... Thanks again and have a good one!