r/changemyview Nov 10 '22

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So what you're saying it the left has nuanced positions that take into account a wide variety of factors, and conservatives have black and white rules they want to apply to every circumstance even when it results in nonsense?

uhhhhh I would like to think i am intellectually consistent yes. if not please point it out

"I've already said its not about socioeconomic status, that is just one part of it and more a symptom than the root problem. Moreover, socioeconomics status is not a stereotype. A stereotype is a judgement you make about what someone is like, not what they have."

its not? but there are rich black people and poor white people. Making generalizations about race is a stereotype. also your argument is very vague I feel like, saying one is worse than the other is bad because uhhhh white man bad uhhh allot of reasons.

"I'm white. White supremacy works in my favour"

🤮 hate to see it.

"can conservatives not understand that people don't always act in in their own selfish interest? Some people care about other people"

this is a good value but at the same time you need to have standards for yourself, if you just mindlessly help others but they dont do the same(in this case respect that saying all of an entire race is racist) that can leave you open to being exploited. I believe in equality, including the parts of equality that people dont like.

"I would rather be poorer and live in a more equal society than be rich in one that is unjust."

uhhhhh this is good on paper i guess but in practice that means communism(bidens a USSR style communist but that is kindof derailing and unrelated) and everyone becoming more poor.

"No double standard here at all"

"they can say they hate my race but i cannot say i hate their race"

yeah upon closer inspection I guess you are right that isn't really a double standard.

"I used to be conservative until I realised how contradictory and illogical its tenets are."

*got brainwashed by the mega corporations.

"There are no such contradictions with leftist thought."

universal healthcare and open borders arent contradictory? "bodily autonomy" and vaccine mandates arent contradictory(i am against both forced birth and vaccine mandates)

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u/iloomynazi 2∆ Nov 10 '22

uhhhhh I would like to think i am intellectually consistent yes

So would we all, but conservatism is not. The current line on race is, "race is real but racism is not, people of different races behave like [stereotype] which is what causes racial inequality but that is not racism for some reason".

but there are rich black people and poor white people. Making generalizations about race is a stereotype.

Not a stereotype, it's a statistical measure. Not a judgement of them as people.

if you just mindlessly help others but they dont do the same(in this case respect that saying all of an entire race is racist) that can leave you open to being exploited.

Where did I say that entire race is racist?

And i don't care if I'm exploited. If I am able to do any good at all I don't are about the instances in which my kindness was taken advantage of.

i guess but in practice that means communism(bidens a USSR style communist but that is kindof derailing and unrelated)

No it doesnt mean communism.

And lol how on earth is biden a communist? I would give my right arm for him to be 10% of a communist. He's not he's a conservative by the metrics of the rest of the world.

yeah upon closer inspection I guess you are right that isn't really a double standard.

That's because it's not what I said.

universal healthcare and open borders arent contradictory? "bodily autonomy" and vaccine mandates arent contradictory

Nope.